This really isn't worth a whole lot of effort on anyone's part. But... You know the old saying it's not what you say it's how you say it. You have read what I said, not how I said it. Which happens a lot I suppose on the internet. It's kind of hard knowing how something is being said when your reading it and not hearing it or seeing it being said. And reading the entire thread is always a bonus. You really have nothing to upset about. Once again I merely gave my opinion. If you were not the guy that came and looked at my car, your name would not have been mentioned. The only thing I'm going to apologize for is the miss spelling of your name. That being said, there was no deal. We shook hands when we introduced ourselfs. There may have even been a hand shake as you left. No hand shake was made over a deal, because no deal was made. I never received any phone calls from you. If I have a car for sale, why would a avoid a call from a potential buyer? This car was for sale on the fgmcc site long after you looked at it. It doesn't bother me that you didn't buy it. I would part out the car that this thread was orignially started for based on my experience with a very similar situation. You just happen to be a part of that very similar situation.As you can see I'm actually trying to keep this thread what it was orignally intended for. I'm sure the original auther as long since lost interest.

 

It is very unfortunate that this is the first time i have posted on this site , it would be nice to be welcomed , some of you know me from the FGMCC club , i happen to have a deep passion for cars ,Chevelles , Monte Carlos ,Challangers ,Torinos , Rebels , you name it i like it , i cant believe i am here posting for the first time to defend my name , it is Leo Konik , lets try to get a couple facts straight

1. we shook hands on the deal , delivery was the to be negotiated and i am always fair , you would not return my calls period

2. i could care less what type of car anyone drives , i do not personally drive hondas ,but that by no means a reason to not buy that car

3. please do not mention my name again unless you can back up what you are saying

4. i am super happy you sold the car and the fact that it is parted out does not bother me , cars are usually worth more in pieces , that is why people part them out

5. i have never felt anamosity toward any classic car owner regardless of make or model


as i said before sure would have been nice to come here on my own and be welcomed not drawn in

i have several chevelles as well as several montes camaros impalas and rebels and a 51 ford truck

i am very sorry that this deal went south and that i offended you or your wife dont even remember the honda , but i am no ones man other than my wifes , and i treated you with respect , i expect the same in return

i will be around here now and then , we restore montes and chevelles and are always looking for new friends

Leo

 

Not that i have a dog in this fight but tranny smoke is right . I remember his car on that monte site but didn't think it was that long ago ? How time flies when your broke ! I was interested in the car & emailed him about it but was to dumb or broke to pull the trigger . Also do remember a 70 monte 454 drivetrain on e-bay that did go for around 4 grand because i put it on my watch list to see what it would go for . Didn't know it was this car ???!!! Not trying to start a flame , just telling what i remember .
Phil

 

Was your screen name "Turbo" when you were on the site?

If so I'm remembering a very very rough car that you are talking about.

 

Was your screen name "Turbo" when you were on the site?

If so I'm remembering a very very rough car that you are talking about.

You are correct. The car was rough, but that doesn't change the fact that it had a CRN, LS5, 454, 400 turbo, 12 bolt, boxed in control arms, 1 1/8" sway bar, bolt on steering knuckle, load leveling system, big block fan shroud and oh yes, the SS454 emblem on the fender. Now if it wasn't a SS, (I'm about 99.9% sure it was) someone sure went to a lot of trouble rig up a rough monte. No matter now, it's spread out across the U.S. and Canada on probably a half dozen chevelles by now. The drive train went to a Canadian bidder on e-bay if I recall correctly. Thank you chevelleshack for the confirmation.

 

Sorry, I didn't intend to highjack your thread with that bomb, but seeing how I'm being called a liar. I tried selling my car in oh, I'd say June/July of '07 and yes on the fgmcc site. This was well over a year before the stock market crash of '08. If you guys recall, this was when your eastern meet in '07 was in Indy. Feel free to correct any of this that you feel is BS. Your main man Leo Kinnok (spelling) was the only one to even look at it and he didn't want it because my wife drives a honda. He wanted me to haul it eight hours north of my house and then negotiate the price:noway:. Hit TTT at least ten times on the thread and nothing. Waited six months for any bites, then put in on here and it was gone in two days. The car was white with a black vinyl top, Flint car. It was located at my house in Terre Haute,In. Before you reply you should talk to Leo. Any of you guys that want to place a wager on my BS, just let me know. Sorry again for the high jack.

 

Your main man Leo Kinnok (spelling) was the only one to even look at it and he didn't want it because my wife drives a honda.

:yes: Sounds like Leo! :yes:
I dont know what his reason was for not taking it, so I wont speak for him.
I dont quite understand the anger towards the FGMCC here though. If noone wanted the car there, and it sold here, whats the problem? You got what you wanted, and the car is scattered around, big deal, It makes the ones that are left that much more desirable. There always seems to be a feud between the Monte and Chevelle crew almost like a Ford -vs-Chevy rivalry.
Tons of Montes were used for Chevelles Im sure due to the disc brake setup alone.
Montes are tougher to find parts for than Chevelles because noone is making the needed parts. No Grilles, Fenders, etc....and when a Monte is cut up for parts, it is a shame in some cases, but in alot of cases, its much needed parts for us Monte folk!

Tony

 

I'd like to know which monte forum too, I don't ever remember at http://www.fgmcc.com/

 

The 12 bolt, tach dash and buckets/console are the big ticket items, after that it's fan shroud extension (especially BB), tail lights, wiring harnesses, grille, grille badge, hood ornament, steering column, seat belts (especially black), bumpers, etc.........if your time has value I wouldn't spend more than $1000-1500 if selling everything.

 

Buy it before Nancy Pelosi does. :yes:

 

Say it ain't so!!

 

What a burn out! Sorry, the Monte wasn't nearly as nice. It had been repainted red though!

On the parting out subject: I too respect and know the difference between a parts car and a restorable collector.
5 years ago i discovered a 71 monte w/ only 43K actual on it- sitting in a crapped out open garage! it was mildewed, mouse infested, but still "clean." Bought it for 400. After a new starter, fuel pump, gas and trailering- and 2 full weeks of oil fogging the stuck 350- i got it to turn over.

Another 2 weeks to get her running decent- and try to drive with severely rusted and grinding brakes- it ran and drove. I sold it to a guy for his supposed dream car at a good discount. i wanted it to go complete. next week, he yanked the 350 for a BB and then nothing- ended up selling again.

That darn 350 ran great for how long it sat (14 years) and it had the good # heads on it too. Would've loved to save that 350and tranny assembly. Wanted to keep the car intact being all original. But it was not to be.

I'm all for keeping the 1st gen MC's on the road. They are rare and just as cool as a chevelle if not more so because of their usual features.

 

Thank you all. I know there's some killer parts on this car. It's amazing it's still in one piece. 2500 was too hi for me- it's been sitting for years same way now. If it had been running...

Actually my brother and i tried a gas can-hose trick w/ a battery pack booster- to see if it at least turned over. A 350 that spins still has some usual parts on it. I'm used to selling 350parts all the time (intakes, cranks, heads). Maybe it might get running.

I think it had air too if i remember right. i have pics somewhere. I wanted the parts for my chevelle. Now the chevelle's gone, but i still want this car for parts.

I have many guys interested in it just mentioning it- alot of racers want it to- it has the longer or extended frame so if they smash the front the radiator won't get crunched.

There's 2 other montes- they both have 8.2 rear ends with no options like this at all.

I don't have room for another car- does anybody?- but i'd buy it, take what i want, and then sell the body.

At first the whole car especially a 70 was too good to be true. thought it was rust free. Then I saw the rust hole in the floor. Couldn't even open the trunk (yet). Decoding it was no bigee, but NOM surprised me.

I'm glad i stuck to my guns (price-wise.) I wouldn't be able to make money (much less anything after borrowing trailer and gas money back and forth.)

I wanted the 12 bolt, seats, console, 350 and tranny. AC items and radiator. I don't think i would mess with the dash though it's clean but not perfect. takes forever to take everything out in one piece.

Sorry about rambling- but Montes are a mixed group. I remember driving back home that day too- seeing another 70 on the side of the road 4 sale. Completely rusted out- all the way up the belt line. "rebuilt" 350 and had a 12 bolt- that's it. Guy still wanted 2800 or 1800 (can't remember)- way too much for how gone it was. Don't think it sold either.

 

take a look at this one

http://img531.imageshack.us/my.php?image=samdoingaburnoutinthedrmo8.flv

 

some take offense in cutting up a monte for a chevelle

 

I know that it's awesome to be able to get your hands on OEM parts for cheap money. I don't want to upset anyone or start a riot, but where's the logic in cutting up and parting out restorable cars, especially when there are plenty of people looking for nice starter cars? There are plenty of non-restorable cars out there for parts. I know that the line between restorable and not restorable is blurred sometimes. Going by the values givin in this thread, the Monte in question has about the same value as a two door Malibu in the same condition. I guess my point is, I don't remember the last time I saw a decent first generation Monte. They seem to be disapearing and I just find it sad.

 

I would imagine that it's worth more to a Monte Carlo fan who would restore it. But I'm basing that statement on absolutley nothing :yes:

 

I had a numbers matching 70 SS monte with every possible part desirable exept the breather, asked 3k for it on the monte site and couldn't get any interest in two months. This car had an original CRN LS5 454. I tried selling it on there as a whole car thinking and maybe even hoping someone would keep it together and restore it. Absolutely no interest. Put it on here and it was sold for the same 3k in two days. The guy didn't even bother talking me down. He then took what he needed for his chevelle and sold the drive train on e-bay for 4k. Most likely to another chevelle guy. My point? Knock it in the head and do what you want with it. No one over there is going to pay you for it.

 

to a monte person some of those parts are hard to find. $2500 is kinda high for a non-running monte. aaron you might want to post that on the fgmcc.com to get a better ideal on what its wroth. if the only rust problems is the floor that is a easy fix with a floor pan. now if your ideal is to buy it and then part it out you can make a killing on a few items. if the quarter panels are in good shape not rust or bondo and you make clean cuts they will bring close to $800. the fender wells for a monte are not being repro so there is another $200 if they are good. front fenders even with the usually rust under the side trim can bring $500. headlight and tail light extension can bring $50 to $100 if good. the grill you are looking at anywhere from $250 to $350 depending on how bad it is. if the car still has the vinyl top trim thats $125 as long as its not pitted. interior is the same as a chevelle just the seat patterns are different and the dash and console will have woodgain on them. not all montes came with a posi these cars were a luxury. if you have pictures of the car im sure i could get prices on the parts. one item to watch for is the air ride compressor and the valve on the passenger side at the rear end. just those two items alone is $1500 in non working order. the compressor will be on the drivers inner fender as can be seen in this picture http://www.load-it-up.de/090417/SpLv8a22.jpg . another item that will fit a chevelle is the front glass back glass and the trunk lid.

 

but i guess 1,500 to 1,800 is what value would be

 

may you all die in hell

 

I refuse to buy used parts off Ebay. The price and descriptions leave way too much speculation IMO.



Dude, whats your problem.

 

2,500 is too much for what you have explained. Maybe close to 1000.

 

Monte's just don't bring the money that Chevelles do, for whatever reason. A non-running Monte with rust issues should top out around $1000, I would think.

12-bolt non-posi, axles most likely ruined, maybe $250 (housing probably all that is useable)
Console & Shifter $150
bucket seat cores maybe $300 if springs, foam, & plastic are OK
Tach/gauge dash, maybe $300

Maybe some other sale-able stuff, disk brakes, motor, tranny, etc, but it takes a lot of labor to disassemble and part a car out... I really don't see how this car brings much over $1000.

 

Monte's just don't bring the money that Chevelles do, for whatever reason. A non-running Monte with rust issues should top out around $1000, I would think.

12-bolt non-posi, axles most likely ruined, maybe $250 (housing probably all that is useable)
Console & Shifter $150
bucket seat cores maybe $300 if springs, foam, & plastic are OK
Tach/gauge dash, maybe $300

Maybe some other sale-able stuff, disk brakes, motor, tranny, etc, but it takes a lot of labor to disassemble and part a car out... I really don't see how this car brings much over $1000.

Console and shifter...Sold for $385 on ebay
Bucket Cores Sold for $180 ebay
Decent pair buckets complete but worn...Sold $560 ebay
Tach Gauge with decent bezel...dont know...

 

$1000 would be better

 

yes,, free is even better, no?

 

well.. he could part it and get 2500..
12 bolt
concole
dash
ect..
is non running.. engine dead .or just in need of tune up and gas