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Rich-L79

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I've rebuilt my own engines many times and I've pulled differentials out of axle housings and I've replaced axles, but I've never set up a rear axle. I really want to rebuild my own 12-bolt. I've read my shop manual many times and it doesn't seem horribly difficult, but I sure would hate to set up my axle wrong.

I can have a local shop set up the axle for about $250 labor beyond the parts costs, but that's $250 I could use elsewhere.

Are there any other novices that have set up their own rear axle with good success or should I just pony up the cash and leave it to the professionals? I've always had the pros do it for me in the past but I have a strong desire to do it myself this time.

Tools I have:
-dial indicator and magnetic base
-0-50 inch/pounds torque wrench
-0-70 foot/pounds torque wrench
-0-150 foot/pounds torque wrench
-dial caliper

Tools I still need:
-bearing separator

Have I missed anything?
 
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I was also intimidated by this task and always just spit up the money to get a pro to do it. I also dealt with "Well I can have it done NEXT WEEK and then NEXT NEXT WEEK and so on and so on. Some of these guys are like body shop guys. They can do good work if they feel like it but they sure don't feel like doing it when promised and there is always the "They all howl a little! BULL S____t.

I was almost always pissed off at the result. To me if the gears are not as quiet as a tomb they are NG. I know that is a little harsh but that is what I expect when I go to someone who is supposed to have done it over and over and over...as in done it for a living.

Finally I said ENOUGH I am not chokin out any more money for labor.....No Mas. I got a dial indicator, a micrometer and a caliper and a press and a pile of GM shims and I read the Overhaul Manual till I could recite it. There really is no black magic here what there is is a job that requires patience and patience is measued at the third digit to the right of the decimal point. If you have that level of patience you can do it.

I have only done a few but I tell you what, they are quiet and they lived. I won't do the work for anyone but me cause I don't wanna hear the crying when some racer type with 13 inch slicks and 500,000 HP blows a perfect rear to Kingdom Come. I know what I am going to heae. It is always something like "You did something wrong you SOB & I want a new rear". Not going there any more than I am going back to get the so called "Pros" to set up my stuff any more.

Ya just have to be willing to take it apart again and again till the pattern is right. Close enough ain't good enough and that is that. If it says .004 to .006 that is what it has to be. Period. None of this racer lore "If it is an automatic with slicks tighten up the backlash" or "If it is a stick with slicks tighten up the backlash". Yes I made that stick and automatic example the same because likely the same advice can be heard from on or another hot shoe weekend racer. I do what the manual says I try to stick with GM gears and I don't do silly things like using a ring gear from one set and a pinion from another because the ratio is one I just gotta have. I change my rear ratio plans to accomodate as much as possible whatever gear set I can find. In the case of that .004 to .006 I would shoot for .005, never mind the extra few thou adjustment cause that is what the guys at the track say. Also if it says measure the backlash at 3 or 4 points around the ring that is what I do. I do it cause the manual says do it.

Another thing before I go. New gears are good gears and used gears are almost always junk as far as quiet running. Once the tooth face has a pattern in it there is almost no way to totally quiet them down. Remember quiet is the number one measure of success for me.

Lastly if at all possible, and I know this is getting harder and harder to do, I will not work with a housing that has been used to set up gears other than the original factory setup. If I see a desert gear ratio virgin rear for sale and the price is righ I will pick it up. That way I know that I am starting out without any number of things that can happen to these rears when the "Close enough for me" set up guys are operating on the gears.

You just cannot tell what those things have been thru what with racing stresses, misinstalled bearing caps, over heating due to incorrect gear set ups. The factory got it right every time and if the rear is unmolested you know it is at worst only carrying some worn bearings as opposed to god knows what butcher work.
 
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Originally posted by mr 4 speed:
A press for the bearings
I don't have a press nor access to one. Is there a handtool equivilent that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
 
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Press is about the only thing that will work here. You can waste a set of bearings, hone them to a slip fit and do all the set up then press a new set at the machine shop. I don't think a set of bearings is nearly as expensive as a cheap press let alone a good one.
 
No way around the press, not optional. Harbor Freight and others have those tools ...bench top size but that really is all ya need. I think possibly $200 might be a little higher.

A tip on the pinion bearings. Get a pair and hone out the inside dianeter with a wheel cylinder hone. You can then slip them on and off the pinion without a press. Once the settings are correct as far as shim thickness then you will of course have to press on a pair of "correct size" bearings for the final set up.

I would consider honing out two mew bearings and keeping them as "Tools". The posi hub / ring gear carrier bearings are cheap: might be $15.00 or so per side. As for the pinion bearings ..don't know about cost it has been a long time.
 
The pinion bearing is the only one that will have to be installed and removed more than once. The pinion shim is behind the inner pinion bearing and the bearing must be removed to change the shim. If you have a digital camera you can post pictures of the contact pattern, or send them to me through email and we can give out opinion on what you need to do next. The pinion depth and backlash must be set to within +/- .001 inch and the pinion bearing preload must be within +/- 2 inch pounds. As stated above, patients and the willingness to assemble and disassemble everything many times is a must. If you are willing to do the work then there is no reason why you can't do it yourself. I do think you will need the press. You can use it for many things after the rear end is done. No need for a big one. Mine only has a 6 ton jack in it.
 
It is intimidating. When I did mine for the first time I was very unsure of myself, but it sure helps when you have awesome members like big gear head to help you through the tough questions. I thought for sure I was going to mess a measurement up, or get the pinion depth wrong etc, but attention to detail paid off and I have a strong quiet rear axle that will last for many years.

Take your time, pay attention. And don't need to remind you to walk away when you get frustrated.

Good luck rich.
 
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So, not to crash your thread Rich, but I'm kind of in the same boat...but if one tool alone is $200 and I don't have it, I wonder if I might as well just take it in...because there are a few other ones I don't have also which I doubt are cheap either...unless Autozone has them on their loan-a-tool thing or whatever..
 
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For that one operation, you can just run down to your local machine shop and have them press the rear pinion bearing off and on again. They'll normally only charge you $5-10 and even if you have to do it three or four times it's still cheaper than $250.00 labor for the whole job or the cost of the press. Not the most convenient alternative but it is an option. Because I started doing so many 4-speeds and rear ends again a few years back, I invested in a 20-ton Carolina shop press I ordered from my local tool shop for less than $500.00 and it's paid for itself many many times over. Good luck Rich
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Harbor Freight has that same press in a local ad in my area for under a $100.00.

I'm considering buying one of these; I want to do my own rear end assembly, also. I would rather spend my money on a new tool than pay someone else to do something I could do myself.
 
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