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TKO-600 users, I need some help

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I have always had a small vibration somewhere in my drivetrain for as long as I have had this car (21 years). I recently removed the Muncie and installed a Tremec 5-speed. I have just recently drove the thing on the highway and anything over 70MPH will produce a tremendous teeth rattling, floor pounding, mirror blurring vibration. I was checking driveline angles with my inclinometer this past weekend. This is what I had:
Trans pointing down 3.5 degrees
Driveshaft pointing down 1.25 degrees (trans to driveshaft angle = 3.5 - 1.25 = 2.25 degrees)
Pinion pointing down 2.2 degrees (driveshaft to pinion angle = 2.2 + 1.25 = 3.45 degrees)
Driving the car with these setting was unbearable and I was waiting for something to let loose.
I raised the tail of the trans about 1" and measured again. I now have
Trans pointing down 2.7 degrees
Driveshaft pointing down 2 degrees (trans to driveshaft angle = 2.7 - 2.0 = 0.7 degrees)
Pinion still at 2.2 down (driveshaft to pinion = 2.2 + 2.0 = 4.2 degrees)
Raising the tailshaft did 2 things, lessened the angle at the trans by about 1.5 degree and increased the angle at the pinion by almost 1 degree.
So which change made it better????

The severe vibration is gone for the most part, but there is still something wrong there that vibrates the rearview mirror to the point where all cars are a blurred-double vision. I have read so many conflicting posts on driveline angle. I would like to hear some measurements from those who have installed a Tremec and know their 3 angles.
 
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Discussion starter · #4 ·
Ambush, my pulleys are new March pulleys and did not cause me a vibration prior to the tranny swap.


Dan,
As far as the direction of the pinion, I was told that it should never be pointed up. So I am confused on that one.
 
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Discussion starter · #7 ·
ss3964spd said:
Jim,....
Let me ask this way. If you're sitting in your lawn chair, facing the drivers door, currently your trans output is pointing towards the floor and the pinion is also pointing towards the floor?

Dan
Yes that is correct. Like a real shallow "V".
I spoke with Armando from Inland Empire Driveline today (I think Jeff @ Classic Chevy had him call me :thumbsup: ) and he said the same thing......my pinion needs to be pointed up to cancel. The only way I can do that is with adjustable uppers, so I will try them. I wanted to get them anyway to dial in the back end, but never thought I would need them to point the pinion up.
What confuses me is why didn't I have this severe problem with the Muncie? My pinion angle has not changed????
Thanks for the input guys and taking the time to read my brutally long post filled with math problems. I would sure like to see some measurements from others with stick cars.
 
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Discussion starter · #9 ·
ss3964spd said:
If I get some time this evening I'll slide under the Impala and take some readings.

Dan
Thank you
 
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Discussion starter · #10 ·
ttt for Dan.......did you ever get a chance to check the angles?
 
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Discussion starter · #12 ·
Thanks for the reply. When I installed the Tremec a couple of months ago, I did do tunnel surgery. I measured my Muncie angle, wrote it down and then made sure I put the Tremec at that angle when I installed it. I have off from work on Tuesday. I am going to try a couple of different rear angles and take it out on the highway for testing.
 
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Discussion starter · #14 ·
Unfortunatley no. I had to have a little surgery and have stitches in my right shoulder blade. That makes lying down under the car a PITA for now. Stitches come out later this week and I'll get back under there. Haven't driven the car in a week.
 
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Discussion starter · #16 ·
Wally said:
You are about 175 miles from me, not just around the corner. But, I could drive up if you get stuck or just need another set of eyeballs.
Wow, hey thanks for the generous offer! I'll keep that in mind. :)
 
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Discussion starter · #19 ·
Re: TKO-600 users, I need some help (UPDATE)

OK, stitches removed from shoulder, crawled under car to work on pinion angle stuff.
First issue.....There was a burr on my brand new Mark Williams 1350 yoke and it was not letting the u-joint sit in it properley on one side. I fixed that, left my pinion angle alone and drove the car. BINGO! Big obnoxious, floor pounding, butt smacking vibration is gone. I still had the small vibe though, so I adjusted my new Edelbrock uppers to point my pinion up a little so it would be close to "equal but opposite" of the trans angle. This seemed to help a bit. There is still possibly something there, but hard to tell because I think I am really looking for it now. But I took it up to about 80MPH for a short bit and it seemed OK. A little vibe in the rear mirror and shifter handle, but nothing annoying. I drove it up and down route 33 here a few times. Had to stop for gas also. :sad:
But I think I will leave it alone for now.
 
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