I know what you mean. I put together a set up using a few different kits consisting of a 1" cog belt set-up from Black Mountain Precision (nice set-up) crank, wp & alt. pulleys. March Performance mid mount alt. brackets and Detroit Speed power steering bracket with a KRC pump. I am workin on mocking it up now and it looks killer and super clean. All I need to do is shim the crank pulley a little to compensate for the damn Stewart wp (typical problem with Stewart stage II high flow pumps) but no big deal.

Jones Racing Products and CV Products both have some really nice complete kit as well. Personally, I hate the March stuff but I had no other choice but to use their alt. brackets to put the alt. where I wanted it.

 

Try Alan Grove Components here..

http://www.alangrovecomponents.com/

I have their drivers side low P/S mount on my BB now and like it!

Note, nothing fancy at all.

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I didn't like the cast iron brackets from the GMPP serp kit (though when you figure everything it comes with it is a pretty good deal) so I went with this: http://www.kwikperf.com/bbc_serp_kit.html

 

Alan Grove is the best, great tech support !!!!! very knowledgeable, had an issue with my 66 ,power steering and alternator with a short water pump, they had a fix and it worked great. No I do not work for them, wish I did. Happy Memorial Day !!!!!!
Pray for the safety of all of our service man and woman !!!

 

Another vote for Jones Racing Products! Great stuff!

 

Same here, JRP makes good stuff. :yes:

 

Hey Bill, This is the main reason for me going to the manual steering and selling the power stuff. I had real tall valve covers and had to adjust the power steering belt all the way with no adjustment left just so I could get the alt. to clear the valve cover and even then the alt was hitting the top of the PS pump. I'm sure with short valve covers it may be a different story.

 

No problem Kevin! :thumbsup:
I've got the car running. As you've mentioned, using even slightly taller valve covers pretty much eliminates what little adjustment range there originally was in a stock setup. Plus, the belts are too long and I suspect will throw off at higher rpm's.
But, I don't want to surrender my PS.

I'll give Allan Grove a call tomorrow and see what they've got to offer.

 

Another vote here for Alan Grove. Go to their website, and you'll see more alternator bracket choices than you'll find anywhere hands down. They have high mount, low mount, mid mount, as well as passenger side, drivers side, short water pump and long. if the Alan grove website doesn't have it, then I don't think it's in existence.


http://www.alangrovecomponents.com/

 

Why not just measure the length of the belt you need? Then make one trip to the store.

 

... or go to the summit web page and they give you the belt lengths so you can choose the right one the first time.

Yeah...OK.
Read my original post. Stock "by the book" length belts do NOT fit.

 

... or go to the summit web page and they give you the belt lengths so you can choose the right one the first time.

 

get a stock long water pump setup. it will fit, barely, but you will either need a solid fan or an electric.
i believe all the brackets for a mid 70's to mid 80's pickup with a 454 are still available new from GM- and they are cheap.

 

I've done that before...in my '67 Elky.
Yeah, it will work but it severly limits fan choices. Not to mention shroud fitment issues.
And I don't want an electric. Using a brand new 5 blade thermal clutch fan.
The car runs cool.

 

Vintage air Front Runner here. No belt problems and have all of the creature comforts.

 

I heard 'ya Mike. :thumbsup:
I'll call Grove tomorrow morning and see what they have to offer.
I do know that Summit has the March Performance Style Track Serpentine System #21250 in stock here in GA.
But OUCH $$

 

I read it... but I didn't READ it... sorry. You know how us El Camino people are..... (be nice)

 

I've been bucking this problem my entire adult life.... and half of my adolesence. For those that don't know, the '67 and earlier cars have a considerably shorter frontend. I had a long w/p set up when I first swapped mine to a BB. As a junior in high school, I didn't know the particulars of different models, years and engines. I still have milk crates full of pulleys and brackets that I had collected from local junkyards trying to find a solution. Further complicating the matter, I was trying to make it work with a conventional p/s pump.

I don't know that a fan clutch will fit a '67 with a long pump, I had a flex fan back then.

I have the regular '66 BB stuff now (remote p/s res), but not without it's own twist. The 540 originally had a Milodon Pro Gear Drive, so the short Stewart had to be spaced 3/8" to clear the cover. After I ditched the gear drive and spacers, I found that the w/p wouldn't straddle the Cloyes aluminum timing cover, so both were assualted with a grinder. I did leave my accessories spaced further forward, using a/c pulleys, 3 crank/2 w/p, I left the groove closest to the engine unused. This let's the alternator dip a little in front of the tall valve covers, shortening the belt and getting it off the p/s pump. It would be better if the v/c's weren't quite so tall or boxy, but I get buy.

Good luck. At least you know what you're dealing with. plus now there's repop's and custom kits available. Couldn't find S/S (big block) stuff in junkyards back in 1980, they'll just laugh at you today.

 

Just to update this...

I called Alan Grove this morning.
They have a PS and alternator bracket system in the final phase of production right now...should be available within the next few weeks. Just having to finish up the Installation sheets now.
Made especially for SWP BB Chevelles!! :thumbsup:
They actually bought a Chevelle to do the research and development of these brackets.
Uses stock existing pulleys and he mentioned you can also use the later, more common, self contained style PS pump. Valve cover height and exhaust system are not an issue with these.
He is sending me a packet of info on this bracket system and has placed me on a contact list when this becomes available for sale.
Ballpark cost mentioned was less than $200 complete.:hurray:
Sounds too good to be true.....

 

I called Alan Grove this morning.
They have a PS and alternator bracket system in the final phase of production right now...should be available within the next few weeks. Just having to finish up the Installation sheets now.
Made especially for SWP BB Chevelles!! :thumbsup:

I'd be interested in seeing what the final product looks like since I've yet to complete my accessory drive setup. When I began my quest for brackets, pulleys etc., I dismissed their stuff because I hated the looks of it. If the new setup looks anything like the stuff on their website, I might have to keep searching.

Edit: Actually I just looked at their website again and their p/s bracket p/n 403L says that its designed to mount the p/s pump (with reservoir) such that it provides clearance for the alternator. It's not a big goofy looking bracket either and their price is less than 70 bucks.

I wonder if using the stock alt brackets and this p/s bracket would give the clearance necessary for the tall valve covers without looking out of place? Might be worth a phone call.

 

sweet alangroove rocks Iam getting thier LW mid mount for my velle I have a aluminum aftermarket LW and serpintine setup off a stock 87chevy sub bbc. but I have manul steering so only thing belt driven is the WP and alt.

 

I just got off the phone with Alan Grove and I thought I was going to be the first to post the good news but Bill beat me to it. Under $200-that is a God send. The brackets are all ready made, they just need to get all the other stuff in order before shipping. Whoo Hoooo! :hurray:

 

AG was taking pictures of the set new set up today. So I would imagine they will get posted on their web site in the next couple of days. I know if you get on their list, they will mail you all the information. At least that is what they told me.

 

I ust checked out Groves and Jones websites. The Jones site is very vague and the pictures suck. The Groves stuff looks very similar to that of another supplier that I had run across several years ago. Don't remember their name. I think that they were in Texas. The low profile brackets are overkill a bit, locating the alt way past the valve coversw. I don't like the idea of that long of belt. Not that it pertains to my car, but the a/c compressor mounting to the fuel pump holes is brilliant.... really.

 

...the a/c compressor mounting to the fuel pump holes is brilliant.... really.

SOMEDAY, when I build my '66, I plan on adding "Air Conditioning", but hiding it as well as I can (hose well up under the fender, no "in dash vents", etc)...

I figured on of those brackets, with the compressor and everything semi-flat black... It will almost disappear under the idler pulley...

Then the rest of the engine compartment would look "stock" (but heater delete, L78 intake, etc), except headers...

I really want A/C, and that bracket helped formulate my current vision... Been that way for a year or so, but I wonder how long it will last...

 

I ust checked out Groves and Jones websites. The Jones site is very vague and the pictures suck. The Groves stuff looks very similar to that of another supplier that I had run across several years ago. Don't remember their name. I think that they were in Texas. The low profile brackets are overkill a bit, locating the alt way past the valve coversw. I don't like the idea of that long of belt. Not that it pertains to my car, but the a/c compressor mounting to the fuel pump holes is brilliant.... really.

 

I've posted this before but I'm a 1st Gen guy.

I'm using my '67's non-power 350SS's single groove crank, w/p and GM deep alt. pulley along w/ the add-on BB p/s pulley Alan Grove sold me fine!

I didn't know it, but the 327 that was in my car before had an add-on p/s crank pulley and I never even thought to check, my bad...

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The Alan Grove stuff may not be very showy but the darn stuff WORKS!

I will have to check out their new setup having bought their stuff for a LWP configuration on my '68. And later re-configured it for SWP configuration.

I re-purposed their mid-mount PS bracket along with a Saginaw N pump from an '85 Cadillac Deville. Added an idler pulley to keep the alternator belt from getting too friendly with the PS pump and a PS pump tensioning plate using the same design concept as the AG alternator bracket. It has worked just fine but I am not sure the V-belts like being bent both directions like a modern serpentine. The belt has developed cracks on the inner side that make me think I should consider alternatives.

The Saginaw N pumps are basically a totally remote reservoir version of the Saginaw P pumps our cars came with. Uses the same control valve and pressure hose hookup. Mounts almost the same... same bolt locations but a bit deeper as the N lacks some of the machine mount boss cuts they did on the P pumps. Removing the tank entirely allows it to be tucked up more if needed.

 

i just got off the phone with keith at alan grove componets, and added my name to the long list of guys interested in this set-up. sounds like a sweet set-up. nothing fancy, ready to be plated or powdercoated. it will sure beat the mess i have under the hood now. and the price is very affordable.

 

Just to update this...

Just got off the phone with Alan Grove. Ordered their new ALT/PS bracket for SWP BBC for use in Chevelles/Elkys from '64-'68.
Eliminates the need for the seperate fluid reservoir!!! :thumbsup:
This bracket allows the use of a standard case GM alternator, a Chevy Saginaw non-metric PS pump (w/attached reservoir), and Sanden 508 A/C compressor with the addition of the A/C bracket.
Alt/PS bracket bolts to the top waterpump bolt and two points on the cyl head. Will work with TALL valve covers too.

The BBC SWP alternator/power steering combo bracket is P/N 601L
The A/C bracket is P/N 118R

These are available for shipment NOW.

 

Bill,

Did you order this setup. Id love to see pics of it all installed. Sounds exactly what the doctor ordered for my problem. It uses stock pulleys?

Thanks

 

When do we get to see pictures?
(not up on Grove's web site at this time...)

 

Put a manual steering box in it.It aint much different.