[Alan]

Make America great agin, buy foreign. Those countries love the money. My Silverado starts and runs every time. Been 5.5 years with no required visits back to the dealer. Buy American!!! Globalism has lowered the American middle class" quality of life. You think Japan would let GM build car factories there?

Explain the following:

05 GMC Sierra - bought new - Made in Canada
10 Honda Accord - bought new - Made in USA (Alabama)
14 GMC Sierra - bought new - Made in Mexico

Oddly enough, the Accord had higher % of USA sourced parts than either of the two Sierra trucks. Oh wait, the money went back to America with the GMC purchases. Yep that 05 Sierra didn't help GM avoid their Great Recession bailout. Nor did all the GM/AC Delco parts I've purchased (nearly exclusively for repair parts for multiple GM vehicles over the years). GM furthered their push out of America with taxpayer's money. I still gave them a chance with the 14 Sierra purchase (frankly 14 Sierra is worse for problems than 05 Sierra). GM never asked where I wanted their vehicles/parts made. The consumers are not driving this globalization. The Executives, stock analysts, top holders of stock, bond holders, unions, and government (not in any order) are to blame before consumers. Trucks are selling like hot cakes, same with SUVs, I fail to see where GM is bringing production back to USA solely based on sales figures. I'd pin the blame on US Government and their trade deals before faulting a corporation. Then again, I'm sure the corporation lobbied for the trade deals. Then, there are those Union's who failed in their negotiations and ability to adapt to changing marketplace. The dance was on, and middle class lost and consumers got increasing number of foreign goods. :waving: :beers:

 

[Stokerboats]

I drive my Chevy which was built in Ft Wayne Indiana. The only part on the truck of question is the Japan built air bag. It's on the recall list if they ever get their ducks in a row.
I don't care which state whored it's way into building Japanese cars. I consider it unfair trade. I don't buy anything foreign when given a chance. Why the hell would I when my 78 Olds went to my Grandson a few years ago. My 66 Chevy is at home in the garage and the Silverado is out front. All three vehicles run just fine. Why would I support Nafta?

 

[Stokerboats]

Explain the following:

05 GMC Sierra - bought new - Made in Canada
10 Honda Accord - bought new - Made in USA (Alabama)
14 GMC Sierra - bought new - Made in Mexico

Oddly enough, the Accord had higher % of USA sourced parts than either of the two Sierra trucks. Oh wait, the money went back to America with the GMC purchases. Yep that 05 Sierra didn't help GM avoid their Great Recession bailout. Nor did all the GM/AC Delco parts I've purchased (nearly exclusively for repair parts for multiple GM vehicles over the years). GM furthered their push out of America with taxpayer's money. I still gave them a chance with the 14 Sierra purchase (frankly 14 Sierra is worse for problems than 05 Sierra). GM never asked where I wanted their vehicles/parts made. The consumers are not driving this globalization. The Executives, stock analysts, top holders of stock, bond holders, unions, and government (not in any order) are to blame before consumers. Trucks are selling like hot cakes, same with SUVs, I fail to see where GM is bringing production back to USA solely based on sales figures. I'd pin the blame on US Government and their trade deals before faulting a corporation. Then again, I'm sure the corporation lobbied for the trade deals. Then, there are those Union's who failed in their negotiations and ability to adapt to changing marketplace. The dance was on, and middle class lost and consumers got increasing number of foreign goods. :waving: :beers:

I don't consider Canada to be in the same category as Mexico. Canadians don't want to turn the USA into Canada. I think they like fair trade just like we do.

 

[blm]

I have owned many new cars and trucks. Probably over a dozen. Here is my philosophy. It is ok to buy a new car IF one does the following. First is due their research and figure out if what you want to buy is a good vehicle. Second is plan on keeping that new vehicle for 12-15 years. After 4 or 5 years the vehicle is paid off and you then get another 10 payment free years out of it.
Now that being said I tend to take very good care of my vehicles. Just wish I had a 6 car garage. Thats all.

 

[Randy Mosier]

Yeah, I get that bug occasionally, but looking at window stickers cures it right away.

Sticker shock will usually cure the urge to buy a new vehicle.

I bought a 2006 Tundra a few months back with 191,000 on the odometer. Paid $7000 for it. The truck was in excellent condition. I could tell it had been well maintained. I have no doubt it will easily go another 200,000.

There are plenty more out there just like it. No need to pay $50K for a new truck. I'm content to let someone else take the hit and put the first 100K (or in my case, 191K) on the odometer.

 

[jeff swisher]

Never got that bug to buy a new car. never bought one either.

I hate new cars.. bad investment.

 

[Sticks]

A Mopar guy once told me that if he put the amount of money he would be spending on a new car into his old car he'd have a car that'd be better than any new car. I tend to agree with him.

I mean, could you imagine putting $400 into parts for the chevelle every month?

 

[T_R]

Make America great agin, buy foreign. Those countries love the money. My Silverado starts and runs every time. Been 5.5 years with no required visits back to the dealer. Buy American!!! Globalism has lowered the American middle class" quality of life. You think Japan would let GM build car factories there?

Actually they did pre-war. There was a Ford factory in Japan that assembled Model T and Model A.

In the modern times, quality sucked for everyone during the malaise era. By the 80's Japansese cars were of higher quality than American. That continued through the 90's and 00's. But now Ford and GM are building cars that are on par with the Japanese. Fiat-Chrysler, not so much.

We have 15 and 16 Fords now and the quality is very good on them, but honestly would have bought an Impreza instead of the Focus if cost wasn't a consideration. It was a $5000 difference between the two.

 

[max69chevelle]

Not with my Chevelle . I did get a new 2016 VW Passat R-Line when I saw them in the service lane at my VW dealer. Sold my 2005 VW Jetta GLI for it.

 

[malibumark]

I bought a 2012 Boss Mustang 3 years ago.Competition orange with 18,000 miles on a Ford lot.Long story short,after having the trans replaced 3 time under warrantee,it was a blast.I did all the mods,headers,exhaust,suspension,wheels,tires,ect.But after all my labour that car only responded with a lousey money spent to performance increase ratio.Probably because it was done so well from Ford from the beginning.All except the crappy Getrag 6 speed.Once dialed in with a Mcleod twin disc clutch and shifter it truely was a supercar.Turn on the Red key,and drive it like you stole it.Unreal handling to downshift at 6000 and powerslide through corners!Fast too as guys have that little 4 cammer 302 in the 10's,n/a! great on long drives in 6th gear.
But you know what?It just did not have that love and simplicity of a vintage musclecar.I was limited on what motor mods which left messing with a already great car.It did lack torque bigtime,and peak power is at 7500!After a perf chip they can turn upwards of 8600 rpm.But hanging out at the cruises I missed the comradery of my Chevy and Dodge buddies with their muscle cars.Prior to the Boss,I had sold my '65
Chevelle SS.Originally a 327 4-sp. #138 project car,it became a solid 9 sec 'glide,509 Dart headed,small tire local or track car.All on motor.Guys,all you need is a used 502 block,bigger heads than they yell you to use,12 to 1 comp.a Dominator,small solid roller,and glide with a 4500 to 6000 stall and it's 9's on motor.Sold it,bought the Boss,sold that -now back to my 69 Chevelle and could not be happier!Merry Christmas!

 

[cv67]

Had a 93 toy, 99 00 S10 and an 02 Silverado had the bug
Never again. They just dont hold up over time not the mechanics so much as the electronics never had so many car problems before....new or 180k doesnt matter always something
Looking for an older Chevy truck.

Hope you have a better experience!

 

[Stokerboats]

Actually they did pre-war. There was a Ford factory in Japan that assembled Model T and Model A.

In the modern times, quality sucked for everyone during the malaise era. By the 80's Japansese cars were of higher quality than American. That continued through the 90's and 00's. But now Ford and GM are building cars that are on par with the Japanese. Fiat-Chrysler, not so much.

We have 15 and 16 Fords now and the quality is very good on them, but honestly would have bought an Impreza instead of the Focus if cost wasn't a consideration. It was a $5000 difference between the two.

They built a few model zero's as well.

 

[T_R]

They built a few model zero's as well.

Over 10,000 of them. The A6M Zero was a superior plane until the late stages of the war. The F4F and Spitfire were outmatched.

We also built a few nukes. But that was 75 years ago. It's kind of silly to hold a grudge against Japanese cars for what happened then. Our allies in WW2 are our enemies now. Our old enemies are our allies. It was a long time ago.

 

[langss]

For me it wasn't a bug to buy new, I didn't want to buy at all. I spent weeks trying to find a decent "Lease". I really only need a truck for what I estimate to be three years. I searched all makes and models and finally gave up. I tried renting, but that gets expensive rather quickly. The final motivator was my 2010 Malibu and the potential for an expensive Transmission repair looming on the horizon. It just worked out less expensive to unload the Malibu and buy a truck to replace it. A year later I do not regret it.

 

[davewho1]

Over 10,000 of them. The A6M Zero was a superior plane until the late stages of the war. The F4F and Spitfire were outmatched.

We also built a few nukes. But that was 75 years ago. It's kind of silly to hold a grudge against Japanese cars for what happened then. Our allies in WW2 are our enemies now. Our old enemies are our allies. It was a long time ago.

Spitfires didn't fly in the Pacific.

 

[Jim Mac]

Do you guys with 150-180k on your cars just hop in them and drive 1200-1500 round trips? On say a three day weekend my one way trip to the kids is 550 miles, places with no cell service. And some of these little towns have small parts stores. So I imagine a simple break down will turn a quick turn around weekend into a 4 day weekend. Or having to have the kids come to the rescue. This is the reason im trying to convince the wife we should consider a new truck. Next trip in a couple weeks (im in texas heading home now) im getting a rental, wife's tacoma only has 70k on it but is very uncomfortable. Jim

 

[ToocoolZ28]

Do you guys with 150-180k on your cars just hop in them and drive 1200-1500 round trips? On say a three day weekend my one way trip to the kids is 550 miles, places with no cell service. And some of these little towns have small parts stores. So I imagine a simple break down will turn a quick turn around weekend into a 4 day weekend. Or having to have the kids come to the rescue. This is the reason im trying to convince the wife we should consider a new truck. Next trip in a couple weeks (im in texas heading home now) im getting a rental, wife's tacoma only has 70k on it but is very uncomfortable. Jim

My wifes Buick Lesabre has 187000 miles on it, my 95 Z28 convertible has 280000 miles, I wouldn't think twice about driving cross country in either one.

 

[T_R]

Do you guys with 150-180k on your cars just hop in them and drive 1200-1500 round trips? On say a three day weekend my one way trip to the kids is 550 miles, places with no cell service. And some of these little towns have small parts stores. So I imagine a simple break down will turn a quick turn around weekend into a 4 day weekend. Or having to have the kids come to the rescue. This is the reason im trying to convince the wife we should consider a new truck. Next trip in a couple weeks (im in texas heading home now) im getting a rental, wife's tacoma only has 70k on it but is very uncomfortable. Jim

I used to drive my suburban all over the country pulling a trailer from 200,000 to when the rust finally got it at 270,000 or so. But that was 10 years ago. Now the prospect of a breakdown in the middle of nowhere made me get a new truck. I don't want to deal with it anymore. We just towed my daughter's new car home from Baltimore to Maine with my new 15 F150 and it was effortless and worry free. I'm not as young as I used to be and the money spent on peace of mind in a new truck was worth it to me.

 

[Stokerboats]

Over 10,000 of them. The A6M Zero was a superior plane until the late stages of the war. The F4F and Spitfire were outmatched.

We also built a few nukes. But that was 75 years ago. It's kind of silly to hold a grudge against Japanese cars for what happened then. Our allies in WW2 are our enemies now. Our old enemies are our allies. It was a long time ago.

I hold no grudge toward Japanese people. I hold a grudge against people who embrace unfair trade laws which give an unfair advantage to foreign Corporations. I'd much rather own an American product because the money stays in the country. When you buy a foreign product you help a foreign country. How many jobs have to leave this country before people finally get it? Sadly it usually isn't until it's your (our job) that we get it. Then it's too late. From my perspective it's all about "fair" trade.

 

[busterwivell]

Jim, I still pull my trailer to Pomona with my Tahoe with 257,000 miles on it. That's a 1000 mile round trip. I'd hop in it now and drive to my brother's place in Jacksonville FL without a worry.