Camry Or Camaro??
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My 2011 Silverado has been back to the dealer for "problems" or maintenance zero times in 9 years, how is that unreliable?
That said, the Chinese plastic dash IS a problem. My Chevelle is near 55 years old, how is your 1966 Toyota doing?
When I mentioned 104 service bays I wasn't referring to the service intervals, I was referring to the failed drivetrains.
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I think it's the demand for repairs.
That said, there are a good number of freeway obstacles in the area and they aren't Camaros.
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nope. i don't believe the jd powers hype. toyota's free maintenance program and excellent customer service gets owners hooked on getting all service done at the dealer, as compared to chevy owners that feel they need to report a rape when done.
Camry's probably better from a value standpoint. Reliability, durability, resale value, etc.
My '08 Toyota Corolla has been zero problems. I'm on first set of replacement tires, battery just failed last spring after 165,000 miles. Changed fluids at 100,000 miles. One no cost recall for some ECUs (not mine it turned out). Good car.
Most of the new cars...Camry, etc. They are hideous. Too damned ugly! I thought about buying a new Corolla until I took a look at them.
Both the Chevy and the Toyota, it's too hard to see out of them. Terrible visibility. On Sunday morning, when weather is nice, I usually see a few old cars out on the freeway. Everything form T-buckets to a cherry '59 El Dorado a while back. You can actually see traffic from inside those 60's cars!
Toyota quality is probably slipping just like refrigerators, washing machines, desk fans, etc.
My '08 Toyota Corolla has been zero problems. I'm on first set of replacement tires, battery just failed last spring after 165,000 miles. Changed fluids at 100,000 miles. One no cost recall for some ECUs (not mine it turned out). Good car.
Most of the new cars...Camry, etc. They are hideous. Too damned ugly! I thought about buying a new Corolla until I took a look at them.
Both the Chevy and the Toyota, it's too hard to see out of them. Terrible visibility. On Sunday morning, when weather is nice, I usually see a few old cars out on the freeway. Everything form T-buckets to a cherry '59 El Dorado a while back. You can actually see traffic from inside those 60's cars!
Toyota quality is probably slipping just like refrigerators, washing machines, desk fans, etc.
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My Corolla is a 1995 and NO cracked dash 1.8 engine and 338,000 miles still has original coolant hoses and.
But I have to replace struts every 70,000 miles.
Wear items I suppose.
I had an 82 Ford inline 6 200" Mustang and 300,000 miles before anything broke on it.
If I had to spend the money they want for a new car today I would buy an old classic that would not drop in value.
Probably why I drive old classics often. I have my 57 chevy 4 door sitting in the drive way with a trailer hooked to it. Have been doing a lot of tree work this last 2 weeks.
It is my work truck.
Lots of leg room and I have been everywhere in it No issues.
Paid 1500 for it and now have 4,500 into it and AC blows ice cold. Steel dash and Ford 9" Old school carbed 350" and TH 350 trans .
Pretty reliable stuff there.
You guys can have the new depreciating cars I will drive my old stuff and be happy.
But I have to replace struts every 70,000 miles.
Wear items I suppose.
I had an 82 Ford inline 6 200" Mustang and 300,000 miles before anything broke on it.
If I had to spend the money they want for a new car today I would buy an old classic that would not drop in value.
Probably why I drive old classics often. I have my 57 chevy 4 door sitting in the drive way with a trailer hooked to it. Have been doing a lot of tree work this last 2 weeks.
It is my work truck.
Lots of leg room and I have been everywhere in it No issues.
Paid 1500 for it and now have 4,500 into it and AC blows ice cold. Steel dash and Ford 9" Old school carbed 350" and TH 350 trans .
Pretty reliable stuff there.
You guys can have the new depreciating cars I will drive my old stuff and be happy.
My wife who now has her mothers '06 Corolla, has had zero mechanical problems since new. And just the other day, I told my wife that I just cant believe that it never had any part of the exhaust system replaced!! Over 100k miles, not garaged kept, and in the snow belt of Pgh.! Ive owned older Camrys ('98's )myself and never had any mechanical issues, and the the quality of the ride was excellent when I sold them recently!
In 1989 , I bought my first and last new Chevy. Had it in the shop 3 times in the first year, and cheaply designed plastic interior parts cracked and rattled in the same time span. I traded it in a yr later and got out of that time bomb before the warranty expired. And today with the ugly , overpriced cars, no way I would even look at GM vehicles.
I just picked up the super clean "02 Acura RSX, 5spd. last summer. 118k miles, 70 yr, old woman owned it since new. Love it
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The comparison is really about what similar money can buy. Any car is a compromise to some degree and it is a matter of what the expected function is. You could use a Camaro as a daily driver to work as you will not likely be loading it up with passengers. I remember guy buying a Corvette as his daily driver because his commute was relatively short but it ran through a twisty canyon road. He made the right choice for his circumstances.
I like these sort of incongruous pairings of test vehicles because it can really help define the sort of car you really need & can live with. I remember a road test of a 1980 Mustang turbo 4 vs. a 1980 Civic. The 1980 Mustang had no performance advantage over the Civic. The compromises made to the Mustang's turbo-4 tolerances to supposedly help performance only served to make it a sloppy oil-burner with little power. Fast forward a few decades and you will find the modern Ectotec four in the Mustang develops 305 horsepower from 2.3 liters and has no oil consumption issues.
Remember the Car & Driver test comparing the Ferrari GTO to the Pontiac GTO? It was an interesting, uneven pairing that surprised many people back then.
Camrys have been so bland and Toyota has decided to make it a boy-racer.
I admit I considered a V6 Camry back in 2003 that I would have run with a TRD supercharger, but the V6s were all automatics (I have never bought any new car with an automatic) and I ended up with a 4-cam V6 5-speed Passat wagon.
When I was looking for my 1st new car I considered a Camaro or a 5 liter Mustang, but the insurance bill quickly made me change my mind. I considered a new B02 Police Caprice but wifey couldn't see it. I considered a Cavalier V6 manual wagon but I couldn't get it without the much-hated digital pinball gauges. Chrysler? Are you kidding! Where there's smoke there's a Chrysler. I ended up with a Corolla GT-S and I loved it for 14 years until a 6-car accident ended it.
So the "Mustang" SUV is starting to make more sense than would first appear. Traditional buyers & offerings are a quaint archaic notion now. Things are evolving and crossovers are a weird outgrowth . Lots of choices out there and buyers need to really analyze what they need & want.
I like these sort of incongruous pairings of test vehicles because it can really help define the sort of car you really need & can live with. I remember a road test of a 1980 Mustang turbo 4 vs. a 1980 Civic. The 1980 Mustang had no performance advantage over the Civic. The compromises made to the Mustang's turbo-4 tolerances to supposedly help performance only served to make it a sloppy oil-burner with little power. Fast forward a few decades and you will find the modern Ectotec four in the Mustang develops 305 horsepower from 2.3 liters and has no oil consumption issues.
Remember the Car & Driver test comparing the Ferrari GTO to the Pontiac GTO? It was an interesting, uneven pairing that surprised many people back then.
Camrys have been so bland and Toyota has decided to make it a boy-racer.
I admit I considered a V6 Camry back in 2003 that I would have run with a TRD supercharger, but the V6s were all automatics (I have never bought any new car with an automatic) and I ended up with a 4-cam V6 5-speed Passat wagon.
When I was looking for my 1st new car I considered a Camaro or a 5 liter Mustang, but the insurance bill quickly made me change my mind. I considered a new B02 Police Caprice but wifey couldn't see it. I considered a Cavalier V6 manual wagon but I couldn't get it without the much-hated digital pinball gauges. Chrysler? Are you kidding! Where there's smoke there's a Chrysler. I ended up with a Corolla GT-S and I loved it for 14 years until a 6-car accident ended it.
So the "Mustang" SUV is starting to make more sense than would first appear. Traditional buyers & offerings are a quaint archaic notion now. Things are evolving and crossovers are a weird outgrowth . Lots of choices out there and buyers need to really analyze what they need & want.
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Sounds to me like you take good care of your vehicles. Here in this part of California, it takes 30-35 minutes to get 5 minutes worth of distance. They are stacking living spaces but the infrastructure NEVER improves. Constant stop and go is pretty hard on a vehicle.
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Nope, it would go to state unfunded retirements and special benefits.
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Is there a 3rd choice...?
Agree they have never had room...should just leave it out like they did the AMX.
I give up on Chevy and their stylists..Camaro corvette trucks they are missing it period.
This 4 banger is for kids you couldnt give me one. 4 banger camaro...
Guess its another couple yrs with the old gas guzzlers.
Really considered a newer truck but they are so laden with issues decided to restore my 02 1500.
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Its not your fathers 4 cylinder. They are much different today than 30 years ago.
Its not only the "actual" current reliability, its the perception of reliability... A few years ago I was looking at new cars, and several dealers told me the same thing; A Honda or Toyota will net a better resale value than a GM or Ford... I am not wealthy, so therefore part of the "cost" of a new vehicle includes the eventual resale value.
As for the Camry versus Camaro, I think its totally Apples-to-Oranges comparison... If you want a nice looking, sporty 2-door with limited rear seat room, that Camaro is the better choice. if you are looking for more comfort for more than 2 people, then the Camry is likely a better choice. I really doubt the market segments cross over that much...
Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are competitors... I think the Camry would be a better comparison to a V6 Charger.
Personally, I like the power of a V8, but I need better mileage for my daily driver, so no new Camaro or full size truck for me. I spend my gas savings on my Chevelle...
As for driving "10-under in the left lane", it has NOTHING to do with horsepower... I routinely drive 80+, mostly in the left lanes (with rarely anyone catching up) in my wife's 11 year-old 4-cylinder Camry, even with 4 people and the A/C cranking... of course, the Camry does take a little longer to get up to speed (but its not like so old '70 VW bus). My minivan beats 98% of the other drivers off the line (mostly because I have a heavy right foot).
Its not only the "actual" current reliability, its the perception of reliability... A few years ago I was looking at new cars, and several dealers told me the same thing; A Honda or Toyota will net a better resale value than a GM or Ford... I am not wealthy, so therefore part of the "cost" of a new vehicle includes the eventual resale value.
As for the Camry versus Camaro, I think its totally Apples-to-Oranges comparison... If you want a nice looking, sporty 2-door with limited rear seat room, that Camaro is the better choice. if you are looking for more comfort for more than 2 people, then the Camry is likely a better choice. I really doubt the market segments cross over that much...
Camaro, Mustang and Challenger are competitors... I think the Camry would be a better comparison to a V6 Charger.
Personally, I like the power of a V8, but I need better mileage for my daily driver, so no new Camaro or full size truck for me. I spend my gas savings on my Chevelle...
As for driving "10-under in the left lane", it has NOTHING to do with horsepower... I routinely drive 80+, mostly in the left lanes (with rarely anyone catching up) in my wife's 11 year-old 4-cylinder Camry, even with 4 people and the A/C cranking... of course, the Camry does take a little longer to get up to speed (but its not like so old '70 VW bus). My minivan beats 98% of the other drivers off the line (mostly because I have a heavy right foot).
Yep,
I had an 02 chevy truck with 56k on it. Now I know it is 18 years old BUT with only 56k it was starting to have issues, such as fuel pressure regulator, brake calipers, and fuel pump.....
Sold it when I got back to CA because they wouldn't register it for what a decent down payment on a tundra would be. That tundra is awesome. 20.4mpg on the highway.... WAY more comfortable... and has a bigger bed!
I have had too many chevy's to ever go back--unless it is used and I KNOW it will be a PROJECT.
I would love a c6 z06, but I know... that would be a project.
My next project? Who knows what the wife will let me buy, but I will stick a big block in it!
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Those years of trucks with the 5.3 or the 6.0 are the most reliable engine platform ever made. My 01 had 400k on it and that was typical. Best trucks ever made in my opinion. As far as the Camaro versus Camry that's like asking if you would rather have Roseanne Barr or Jennifer Aniston.
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I can't believe you called Jennifer Aniston a Camry
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I think he meant the TRD edition.I can't believe you called Jennifer Aniston a Camry
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The Camaro is obviously jen in this scenario lol
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