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Weird engine whistle, what in the world could it be?

8.6K views 75 replies 22 participants last post by  Rich-L79  
#1 ·
So I got the L79 started for the first time since it started it's long Winter's nap. It cranked a bit but fired up. Rear lifters clacked a bit until the oil pressure worked its way to the back. It fast idled fine and after it warmed up the warm idle was fine. Oil pressure stayed at 60 the whole time. Ran great.

Once it was warmed up and idled down, I noticed a fairly loud whistle. Couldn't really place it, thought maybe it was a whine from the alternator, maybe a bearing going bad. I got out my stethoscope and the alternator sounded fine. Rockers sounded fine. Distributor sounded fine. Water pump sounded fine. Still couldn't place the whine/whistle. Seemed to be coming from both sides. Thought maybe it was the carb. I pulled the air cleaner and it got more prominent. No air intake whistle, that's a different kind of sound. This was high pitched and got more shrill as the engine sped up. No leaks from the carb, no loose fittings anywhere. Didn't seem to be any vacuum leaks as it ran and idled just great.

Out of a loss for anything else to check, I stuck my thumb in the crankcase air intake pipe, the one that connects from the air cleaner to the back of the block. It didn't stop the whistle right away, but if I left my thumb in the pipe thus plugging it, in a few seconds the whistle went away entirely. If I take my thumb out of the pipe, it takes a second or two before the whistle comes back. I could feel the engine vacuum pulling on my thumb slightly as the rest of the PCV was still hooked up to carb vacuum so the PCV system is sound the engine would appear to be well sealed. These engines don't use a PCV valve, there is just a restrictive orifice inside the main carb body that acts as a valve somewhat. Anyway, it has never caused a problem and the orifice isn't blocked because I can feel vacuum. But if air is allowed to pass through the system, there is the whistle. To further confuse things, if I pull the PCV vacuum line off the oil fill spout and plug it the whistle continues so I have to assume the whistle is NOT in the carb.

I have absolutely no idea where to take this issue from here nor can I even think of what could be causing the whistle. Most especially, I have no idea where to continue to look for the actual source of the whistle. If it was a leaking intake manifold or carb base gasket you'd think the whistle would get louder if I blocked off the PCV intake air source because it would be trying to pull even more air through the leak. I can't imagine the baffle inside the lifter valley is the source since it has no moving parts and the noise continues even when the vacuum source is removed thus preventing any air from passing through the baffle.

Any thoughts at all out there?
 
#41 ·
When I reach that point, I tell myself:

Whatever it is, it will have to get worse before this guy can find it. Then I continue merciless usage to bring it to a head.

I sympathize because the first objective for me after function and safety is established is eliminating embarrasing noises.

After reading all this, I wonder if a bit of debris has found it's way into a vacuum hose then gotten lodged crossways. You have probably debunked every place that could happen but wouldn't a fix by swapping a hose be a relief.

I offer no analytical diagnostic assistance and know that "back against the wall" feeling, so... will share my lone experience with a whistler.

Speaking of which... just my personality showing here. I make odd connections.


:D

Pardon me, I dig black and white radio.

Bought a 76 short wide Chevy, stock 454 but previous guy had replaced the Q-Jet with an Eddy carb using an adapter. A square bore carb on a spread bore iron intake!

I couldn't even believe someone manufactures such a thing, it whistled! The offset primary holes stepped over about half a hole's worth. Grip-and-yanked that mess, the Q-Jet was fortunately left behind the seat in the Eddy box so you can guess what I did. The right thing. My fresh Ponch score at the time, with clapped out tripower, got the Eddy. Truck got sold and I have well over 100K on the Eddy now.

So, not like that tale helps any but sympathy kind of does sometimes for me.

This will pass. Go hammer it until theres a new clue. To me it sounds as though there must be some sort of obstruction shaping the wind into a whistle.

Only one tip... I was hunting a noise source on my OT DD SC FWD POS and made a vid looking around with camera. Had a starter gear dangling against flexplate in turns. The point is that firsthand, I was lost. But viewing the video, the camera's sound was more directional and I was able to pinpoint where to look.

So maybe try that.
 
#42 ·
I got the Chevelle out to start getting it ready for a show this coming weekend. The weird noise is back. I pulled the belt off and the noise is still there so that eliminates the alternator and the water pump. I used a metal pipe to listen and when I put in on the passenger side water pump inlet or on the top of the block on the passenger side below the intake manifold I can hear it pretty clearly. I can kind of hear it coming out of the oil fill spout. It is a whirring noise and I assume it has to be inside the front of the engine. No coolant or oil leaks from anywhere. I don't see any metal particulates in the oil. Could the timing chain be making such a noise? I cannot hear the noise when listening to the fuel pump. I cannot hear the noise when listening to the valvetrain. Oil pressure is as good as ever, pretty much 55-60 at all times.

I'd like to know what it is before I tear into things and I suppose I shouldn't be driving it until this is fixed. It seems to run and drive just fine though.
 
#47 ·
No thrust bearing but one of the suspicions is that part of the chain has come loose and is rubbing or perhaps one of the cam sprocket bolts has come loose and is rubbing. If not, I have no idea what is causing the sound. Will be checking bearings in the bottom end.
 
#46 ·
I know as I get older I too start to make whistling noises when I sigh and scratch my head. My wife says I do it when I sleep.

Wondered about a vacuum leak maybe a hairline crack in manifold or a gasket. You know your stuff so would have checked all that...
That is a head scratcher though.
Good luck with the removal! I know you'll find it and let us all off the edge of our seats!

Casey
 
#49 ·
Finally got the engine out. Since this isn't a car I rely on for regular transportation I refuse to spend time working on it when it is hot and humid. Did little bits here and there, never hurts to take your time. Anyway, got the engine out today, the transmission came out yesterday with help from a friend.

What I've found along the way:
1. Pinion seal is leaking pretty bad
2. I thought the rear main seal was leaking again but it looks good, but...
3. Rear seal on the transmission is leaking.
4. Front seal and cross shaft hole on the transmission are leaking.

Most of these are easy fixes other than the cross shaft leak. I can move the cross shaft by pushing on it! Time to strip the trans down and have the shaft hole bored and bushed. This will really slow down the project since I don't even know anyone local anymore who can do this work. And I haven't even torn into the engine yet to figure out the squealing issue. I hope the answer will become obvious once I get the front cover off. Good thing I just changed the oil a month ago. I hate throwing away almost new oil.
 
#54 ·
Rich your first post you mentioned your lifters were loud. When I fired my L79 this year it had one loud lifter that eventually went away. May have something to do with our high lift cam. I am wondering if one of your valves are not closing completely maybe due to carbon or even a partially collapse lifter and enough to cause a whistle. I would try and slowly pour some WD40 or Mystery oil down the carb and see if it goes away. @BillK was surprised to find out what weak springs the L79 used when I did mine over. Only like 85lbs closed if my memory serves me right.
 
#62 ·
We found some witness marks on the inside of the timing cover down by the lower crank sprocket. At first glance it would appear the chain rubbed on the cover but the chain is like new with no slack. We can only guess that the witness marks were there to begin with (from the way distant past) made by an OEM style chain. I put in a double roller when I built it way back when and the marks just don't match up to a double roller chain.

So the mystery continues. Looks like I need to tear the engine down even farther.
 
#67 ·
Ready to go back in.
Looks great, Rich.

The pics on your website were invaluable to me when I was building the L79 for my wagon.

Is now the 3rd time you've detailed this 327?
 
#68 ·
Ever find any cause for a whistle?
Nothing conclusive. I replaced the timing set though the one that was in there looked perfect. We will see what happens when I get it started again.

Looks great, Rich.

The pics on your website were invaluable to me when I was building the L79 for my wagon.

Is now the 3rd time you've detailed this 327?
At least. :D
 
#71 ·
Got a lot more hooked up yesterday finally. Just need the clutch linkage, shifter and distributor in. Once I prime the engine I'll drop the distributor in and put on the proper valve covers. I want to install a new pinion seal before the driveshaft goes in.

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#72 ·
Got everything remaining hooked up except for the coil and the battery. I was too tired at the end of the day to fire it up. Most mistakes are made when tired, so, leave it for another day. Took a while to get the distributor in properly oriented. Also, while changing the pinion seal I noticed that one of the muffler hangers has rotted and broken apart. Rear end was a little low on lube so I topped that off.