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Help with Transmission Selection

1.7K views 7 replies 8 participants last post by  HurstDrivelineConversions  
#1 ·
Guys, I know this horse has been beat to death, but I am at a point where I could really use some input. I have a 72 Malibu. I have striped it to bare bones, boxed the frame, re-welded the sub-standard factory welds, and powder coated black.
So far I have installed or have sitting in my shop the following:
Stage 5 UMI suspension kit.
Currie 9" with 350 gears.
AFX C-6 spindles
Baer 14" & 13" Pro-plus disc brakes.
ZZ6 crate motor. Planning on ordering EFI in the next few weeks.
March performance front drive assembly.
headers, magnaflow exhaust, etc.
As you can tell, all I need is the transmission and drive shaft to finalize my rolling chassis.
Question is?
A 2004r built will handle to 400+ HP and torque, if you can find a decent core, and someone to build it. TV cables can be a pain (I've heard), but isn't a big deal. Love the first to second gear ratio.
4l80 seems bullet proof, but requires a aftermarket controller and does require additional expense for the speedo.

Any thoughts, recommendations, or sources would be greatly appreciated.
 
#3 ·
I agree with Steve.
Cores for built 200 are getting scarce. Most places want you to furnish the core. Because most of them (other than the Buick GNX) were light duty applications behind V6's they need a lot of modifying to handle more hp.

If you had a 3.73 or 4.10 rear, the 200 gearing might work better, but with that 3.50 screw, you could benefit from the extra low first gear in a 460LE. Of course, you can go 700, but you have the exact same TV issues as 200. Some guys complain of a giant "hole" between first and second, but it is mostly guys that haven't actually driven one with the right rear gear. Ever driven a 90's Suburban? Never heard any Suburban owner complain about the 1-2 gear spread.

There are many good used 4L60E trannys available. If you don't want to take a chance on used, have a local rebuilder go through it.

I see you are in OK. I am in Guthrie. Feel free to PM me. I just did this swap: http://www.chevelles.com/forums/33-...3-transmission-driveline/843449-4l60e-upgrade-update-questions.html#post8882257

As you can see, I only paid $300 for the trans. I spent about $1000 on a controller, remote tps set up, and speedo controller. Still way less than the $2000 I was looking at for a 200.

I did make two mistakes. 1. The trans I got for $300 was only used 6 months, so I assumed the front seal was good. While I had it out, it was really stupid of me NOT to change out the front seal. It is leaking a bit, so now I have to pull the trans to get to it. 2. I should have hooked up the cooler lines to the trans before installing the engine and trans. I was able to get them in, but would have been much easier before install.
 
#4 ·
200R4: Close ratio; same DS as the TH350, same length and mount locations as TH400 -- which means it's pretty much a drop in on 60' and 70's muscle cars; extreme ability because the GNX crowd developed them to live behind big HP (buddy as a 600 RWD pounding a 200). Cores are dual pattern. Starting to get hard to find. If I did it again, I'd do a 200.

700: Wide ratio; All mechanical. The original high performance and truck transmission -- history may defer to the 200 but back in the day it was the 700 if you wanted OD; shorten your DS, modify your trans cross member bolt holes. Might require floor mods (my 67 did not.) Very low first gear. If I'm not on it, I'm into second gear before I'm through the intersection. As far as Lynn's comments about "the hole" I agree. Most guys on this site with a 700 will suggest a 3:53 rear gear. Mine has a 3:73 and I can fell "the hole". But I like the 3:73 and you learn to drive through it.

4L60: TH700 by another name. Out of production after about 1993. So, it's a 20+ plus old product. Doesn't feel like it with 50 year old cars, but it is.

4L60E: the 4L60 with electronic valve body. TV cable goes away. Figure out the electronic speedo --mdight be able to put a TH700 tail on it. GPS speedos are starting to make this a non issue but are expensive. A computer is required. A place to put it and an upgraded alternator may be required.

TH400 = 3L80 (for reference)

4L80E is the 3L80 with over drive an electronics. Same electrics issues and costs as with the 4L60E. Bullet proof for a street muscle car.
 
#6 ·
I'm not an automatic guy at all, so I'd recommend a 5 or 6 speed stick...ha ha. Hat being said, last fall I helped a buddy swap out his T-350 for a worked over 200-R4 in his 67 Camaro. It really wasn't a piece of cake. No changing of the driveshaft, everything bolted right up, and we had zero issues. It really made a difference with his 3:73 gears.
 
#7 ·