I am to the point of cleaning the frame and undercarriage. Will POR 15 stick well to the primer? I have a few other things to do before paint and don't want it to rust up while sitting.
or they have a car that has so much rust it is impossible to get rid of it all.I don't claim to know everything. If you are down to bare metal there is no need to use POR. Just epoxy and topcoat. POR is good product for it's intended use of not removing rust if you like leaving rust on your car. Some have no option or inadequate cash and they are stuck with it.
xylol works as a POR solvent and reducerBryan,
If your floor is down to bare metal, no need to use POR. IMO, POR is a bandaid. Too many guys including myself have had the stuff peel off, even when following their directions to the letter.
Epoxy primer will still to bare metal & protect the surface better than POR without all the prep work that POR requires. Plus you can spray it without having to worry about ruining your gun. POR sucks to clean up.
Just my 2 cents..
Rust doesn't creep under properly applied POR15. Sometimes it's not possible to get all the rust and I'd be concerned about it creeping out again particularly on outside seams like the rocker panels, tail panel, and cowl area.What's the difference? Will POR wick into the pinchwelds? For some reason, all the cars we've done in the past twenty years that were sandblasted and epoxied have not rotten out. If there is substantial corrosion between the pinchwelds that the car will rot in a short time after proper prep and epoxy, the car was a POS from the start.
POR15 isn't an Eastwood product.What's wrong with Zero Rust, SEM Rust Shield or MasterShield? Is POR superior to these forms of rust covering/conversion products? Permatex makes a converter/coating that can be painted over. Seems there are more options than POR. How about Cosmoline? Why does it not get any mention? There is life outside of Eastwood.
Not always. I think if you read the directions they say for freshly blasted metal just blow off the loose dirt. I've found I get excellent adhesion by sanding the surface with 60-80 grit, too. The trick is to give the metal a rough surface for the POR to grab onto.i beleive if you use POR 15 on bare metal it needs to be eched first. They make a metal etch that goes with the POR.
I'm just passing along what the POR people say about their own product. They say freshly blasted metal is the best surface. I'm with you, if I have freshly blasted metal that I'm sure is completely free of rust, I'll use SPI.Freshly blasted metal should have no rust, so why bother with POR15? Isn't the idea of POR to stop & contain existing rust? Blasted metal to me is a no-brainer, Epoxy primer would be my choice.
If I sound like I'm biased, I am. I think POR is very inconsistent. Sometimes it sticks, sometimes it peels, no rhyme or reason. Please don't tell me I'm not using it correctly, I follow their directions to the letter each time. I still have their Marine Clean & Metal Ready on the shelf. I actually still use them as rust converters; I just cover the affected spots with epoxy instead.
My results aside, there a more than a handful of people here that have had the same things happen. I'm sure POR has its place for some guys, but for me it's in the trash.
But Eastwood stuff is good in general, not the greatest, but their whole line is generally pretty decent. You could do much worse than to buy all your restoration supplies from Eastwood. For people without extensive knowledge of products available it's a good place to get what you need.I know, they just sell it. My point is that an entire car can be restrored without confining oneself to an Eastwood sold product. Unfortunately, their marketing has led hobbiests to believe they are the be all and end all.
I agree with the last part. Not to bash SPI, but they are not the only ones who sell good epoxy either.