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I think there was a article in Chevelle world with all the info.

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Be afraid very afraid. They are a quality unit but cost $1,800.00 WOW!!
 
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Not to beat horses or anything but have you seen a NOS unit?? You can put the Repo beside the NOS and most folks can't tell the difference it is a very very good unit. I guess what I am saying is until you have seen the product in person don't belittle it. I have seen NOS units sell for as much as 3000.00 so how bad of a deal is the Repo?
 
They start off as a unit from a junk yard then are reworked. The piece that fits between the base and the firewall is made from carbon fiber then painted. Since the typical customer isn't willing to go to all that trouble the $1,800.00 price tag is all in the eye of the beholder. I would suggest the profit margin is a little above most custom parts and one has to make a decision on how badly they need it. The ole supply and demand thing!
 
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Whatever, I can tell that you have not seen one of these in person. How can you tell us how it is made?? I have helped in the production of these and it's alot more difficult that parts thrown together from junk yard items.
Lets see your unit and compare it to the original.
 
Nelson's unit is top of the line quality. It's not something he can whip up in a day. $1800 is a lot of money to the average Chevelle/El Camino owner. I really want to have one made for my 69 Elky but am still trying to justify it. My car has some high dollar parts but just not sure if I really want an air cleaner that costs so much.
Knowing me,I'll probably purchase one in the future.
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I do agree it's a good replica but it's just that. If you put it on a car not originially equiped than it's just a custom unit. I was thinking of having the top chromed but found out it's been filled with filler or bondo to make it look smooth so the unit won't work for me. There is a guy in Pasadena Ca that makes custom air cleaners out of billett aluminum that are simply works of art. His name is Walter Prosper. The units aren't to my liking but you can see the time he puts into every unit and the price is around $550 just as an comparision.
 
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Most Chevelle owners are too conservative to like the Prosper stuff. I kinda like them but comparing Nelson's cowl induction unit and one of those is apples vs oranges,,totally different trains of thought,IMO.
 
I am curious as to the performance increase with this type of unit. Is it enough to justify a $1,800.00 investment. Once it's installed your probably commited to it forever.
 
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Just saw this thread, as I haven't been able to log on for a few days...

You can get more info on the air cleaner, Ken, by calling Nelson Rudisill at (828) 874-2335 before 9pm EST.

I think his cowl plenum air cleaner is an excellent reproduction that I am proud to have on my '69 Chevelle. Does the added performance justify the pricetag? For many people it may not, but for me not only is it the added performance, but also the unique appearance, the second looks from folks, and the inquiries I get about it that help make the air cleaner a worthwhile addition. And when you stick your leg in it and open up the secondaries on the Holley... well, you just have to hear it to appreciate it.

Mark, I have to take exception to your comment about the air cleaner starting off "as a unit from a junk yard then are reworked." The only part of the air cleaner that starts off as a previously installed piece is the air cleaner lid. The rest of the assembly begins life as a stock, GM, 14-inch, open element air cleaner base, just like they did from the original manufacturer. Then, special tooling is used to form the sides, and they are added to the base along with the unique rear-facing "snorkel." The article in Chevelle World magazine even points out that the snorkel utilizes precisely formed and located supports inside of it that duplicate the originals perfectly.

The used lid is the only piece that deviates from the original, and even then only very slightly in the profile. I compared it to the NOS setup that I have, and that is the only metal part of the air cleaner that differs. I've asked several very knowledgeable Chevelle guys to look at the air cleaner and they all came up with the same opinion: Excellent!

In fact, until I laid the two lids next to each other, none of them could spot the difference, and even after pointing it out to them, some were hard pressed to find the dissimilarity.

Regarding the piece that attaches to the firewall, yes, it is constructed from carbon fiber rather than the original fiberglass. So I guess Nelson took a little high-tech detour with that part. He also tooled it up to make it fit better (a lot better, since I dummied up both the original and the repop) to the firewall, but kept the original appearance by painting it a nice satin or semi-gloss black - just like the original.

Red 64SS ragtop makes a good point in comparing the price of an NOS piece to that of the reproduction. It's about half the price of what you might be able to find one for at a swap meet or on ebay - and for the difference, I don't have to tell you which one I decided to use. I think I'll sell my NOS one now, and pocket the difference. Still, I understand the pricetag seems a tad stiff. But let me say once again, it is NOT a reworked junkyard piece, and I was not afraid... not even a little bit.

It is a very well-executed reproduction that took dedicated tooling to manufacture, and it'll work on '64-7 Chevelles as well as the '68-'72 versions. Shoot, he's even got 'em to fit First Gen Camaros and '68-74 Novas, as well as full-sized Chevys.

If you're truly interested in a unique induction setup with a "factory racing" heritage, you may want to call Nelson. I used a lot of NOS parts in the restoration of my '69 convert, including running down a set of the "early" rolled exhaust tips, so the last thing I would want to do is compromise the construction and appearance. Now... anybody here want to step up and buy my NOS cowl plenum setup?

Chuck
 
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Chuck, I take exception to your exception if that's possible. If you would read the post again I think you will agree I did indicate it was a quality product but just not one I would pay that much for. I didn't remark on the rest of the air cleaner body except for the top. Nelson himself told me the units were found at wrecking yards and reworked and were not suitable for chrome. I do agree it's a great looking unit and only pointed to the carbon fiber piece and should have added it looks great. I still think and it's only my opinion, the unit is a little pricey even if it's the only place you can get it. The only game in town claimer is again in my opinion used a little to often in our industry which tends to turn off any potential new commers. Again it's all in the eye of the beholder and seeing one on yours or anybody elses car will still be an enjoyable experience for me.
Mark
 
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Oh, almost forgot Chuck. Before this thread was posted, in fact months before, a plurb about his product was submitted in your former column at SS indorsing his air cleaner. Price however was not mentioned as I remember.
Thanks,
Mark
 
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Performance Increase?

(And Back To Top In Hopes Of A Reply)

HP increase?

Lower E.T.?

MPH increase?

Any quantitative data of any/all performance increase(s)?

Any before & after testing?
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Bueller? Bueller?
 
I can't find any quantitative data for the performance increase of the unit. It makes sense though to expect an increase under hot and heavy conditions. Think about it, the engine is breathing cooler, more dense air that has not reluctantly made it way through the radiator; rather it is sort of force fed from a high pressure area at the base of the windshield and it has not been heated up and made less dense as it would have been had it passed through the rad. I guess old Smokey Yunick took a few secrets to the grave with him.
 
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All dialogue is very much appreciated! -- Thanks!

I totally agree with your scenario re: cooler air = denser charge.

It'd be great to do a real world back-to-back test with the Cowl unit versus a standard GM Hi-Perf 14" Open Element at the track.

Remembering the high-MPH environment the Cowl unit was designed for, am just wondering what the performance increase might be at non-Nascar speeds.

(BTW, Smokey's autobiography is a super book!)
 
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