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the auction is long gone.Not sure where you got that from,but the car was auto
Joe, it's been determined that the car still exists, the docs ARE REAL, and the car is real. Long story.
Ditto about the key codes, Keith. I was not aware the codes were on the microfiche I posted for this car until George told me about it and I blacked them out. I never asked about L72 or L78 cars for Canada but George did tell me this some time back when I wrote and asked him about LS6 cars, " In the case of a Chevelle SS with an LS6, the LS6 was not installed in Canadian built cars, so they were all imported. But due to production constraints some Chevelles/Malibus/whatever could be sent from the U.S. to Canada if we were running short of a low volume option or at build out time to fill orders, so not all of those imported cars are necessarily LS6's. " According to all of the 1970 LS6 Malibu sport coupe's FM of Canada documentation, 231 Malibu sport coupes (13637) were imported into Canada along with the 329 1970 Custom El Caminos (13680) but how many of those were LS6 is not known. I've yet to run across a 1970 Malibu convertible LS6 imported into Canada or any 1970 L78 Chevelles although I'm sure there would be some.
Then I stand corrected Dave and some history needs to be re-written and the car needs it's due as being the first LS6 pilot car if all holds true. Now I'll ask a question...were the engines stamped with the bodies vin and engine pre fix "like as in mine is CLB for chevelle th400 trans." at the Tonawanda plant or at the assembly plants? I know the TO and the engine assembly dates would be done at the Tonawanda plant. I've asked it before and given about a 50/50 split it was done at both but my reply was how would Tonawanda know what the vin was going to be and my thoughts were wouldn't it make production lines harder to control if they had to look for a particular stamped engine for a particular body so they matched?
Engines were stamped at Tonawanda with their respective assembly dates and the proper suffix code; BTW the T0 (zero) or TO (letter O) is to pad a single month number like January through September, T is for Tonawanda. :thumbsup: Anyway, the suffix code is determined at Tonawanda based on what the engine is such as CLB for an LS3 Chevelle with TH400 as opposed to, say, CLA which is an LS3 with manual transmission. The specific CAR the engine went into wasn't determined until the final assembly plant grabbed on of these from their inventory and assigned to a chassis begin built. At that point the assembly plant would stampe the partial VIN. This is why you'll see some fairly common engines like CTX and CTW (396/402 SS engines) in Chevelles from a particular plant with very close sequence numbers but maybe a month or two difference in engine dates. Plants didn't always work on a first-in first-out basis with their inventory and often existing stock was pushed to the back while new engines were put up front.
Yes and that explains why my 71 Malibu 400 engine reads TO325CLB=Tonawanda 03-25=March 25TH CLB=Chevelle and mated to a TH400 with a block casting date of C-22-71=March 22,1971 head casting dates C-10-71=March 10,1971 and C-18-71=March 18,1971 crank casting date B-19-71=Feb. 19,1971 then of course 11R182XXX 71 Arlington,TX. plant and the body sequence matching my body trim tag. I am correct in my decoding? So then I'm to assume my engine must have been one of those pushed to the back as my cars build date wasn't until 05/07/71? Just a little note for you Dale I've given your LS3 registry addy to a guy who owns another 71 Malibu 400 built on the same day as mine at the Arlington,TX. plant only his engine block was cast on 04-27-71 assembled on on 0504=May 4Th unfortunately he said the original heads are long gone and his car was drag raced so most of the original parts on his car are long gone also. But he has restored it not to concours condition and we plan on getting together when mine is finished being reassembled for pictures and a cruise. Now another question to the great minds of info...our body numbers are different mine starts at 11R182XXX his is 11R183XXX (he asked that I not post the last three digits of his vin and I'll honor his request). But both our cars were built on the same day and month at the same plant. Mines a vinyl roof delete car his is a vinyl top car mines LIGHT sandalwood paint code 61 on my build sheet his is sandalwood but his build sheet says paint code 61 also. Anyone got any ideas why my build sheet says LIGHT sandalwood and his just says sandalwood but use the same paint code?Engines were stamped at Tonawanda with their respective assembly dates and the proper suffix code; BTW the T0 (zero) or TO (letter O) is to pad a single month number like January through September, T is for Tonawanda. :thumbsup: Anyway, the suffix code is determined at Tonawanda based on what the engine is such as CLB for an LS3 Chevelle with TH400 as opposed to, say, CLA which is an LS3 with manual transmission. The specific CAR the engine went into wasn't determined until the final assembly plant grabbed on of these from their inventory and assigned to a chassis begin built. At that point the assembly plant would stampe the partial VIN. This is why you'll see some fairly common engines like CTX and CTW (396/402 SS engines) in Chevelles from a particular plant with very close sequence numbers but maybe a month or two difference in engine dates. Plants didn't always work on a first-in first-out basis with their inventory and often existing stock was pushed to the back while new engines were put up front.
http://chevellestuff.net/tech/assemblies.htm has some old photos of Chevrolet engines arriving at a final assembly plant by rail in bulk. Imagine you're in charge of keeping the engine and transmission installation station going at Baltimore. You have 30 396 engines left, maybe enough for a one or two day scheduling run and you get a trainload of engines in and 200 are the same 396 engines. You may just put those 200 new engines in front of the 30 you have left and use them up first meaning you'll have some SS Chevelles with only a few days between the engine date and final assembly of the car while you may have a couple of months between the final assembly and those 'older' 30 engines you pushed to the back.
Both have saddle door panels,seats,dash,carpeting,package tray and headliner. Both have the black deluxe seat belts.
I think you're confusing body sequence with VIN sequence, maybe? Body sequencing was done at Fisher Body while final assembly was done on the assembly plant side.
Sounds like it, yes.
Again, the VIN is not a body number.
I'd have to see the buildsheets to see where the verbiage Sandalwood and Light Sandalwood appear. There were sales color names and buildsheets (when they showed a color name at all) were generally generic like TAN, LT GREEN, etc. I only have 2 71 buildsheets from Arlington and both happen to be two-tone and show as colors BABY BLUE & WHITE and DARK GREEN & WHITE as opposed to their sales names of ASCOT BLUE, ANTIQUE GREEN, or ANTIQUE WHITE.But both our cars were built on the same day and month at the same plant. Mines a vinyl roof delete [no such thing as a vinyl top delete - just as their is no such thing as A/C delete or radio delete - all were options and the owner just chose not to buy them :thumbsup:] car his is a vinyl top car mines LIGHT sandalwood paint code 61 on my build sheet his is sandalwood but his build sheet says paint code 61 also. Anyone got any ideas why my build sheet says LIGHT sandalwood and his just says sandalwood but use the same paint code?
Yes you would be correct I'm confusing the vin and the Fischer body sequence numbers. I was trying to get at would our VINSI think you're confusing body sequence with VIN sequence, maybe? Body sequencing was done at Fisher Body while final assembly was done on the assembly plant side.
Sounds like it, yes.
Again, the VIN is not a body number.
I'd have to see the buildsheets to see where the verbiage Sandalwood and Light Sandalwood appear. There were sales color names and buildsheets (when they showed a color name at all) were generally generic like TAN, LT GREEN, etc. I only have 2 71 buildsheets from Arlington and both happen to be two-tone and show as colors BABY BLUE & WHITE and DARK GREEN & WHITE as opposed to their sales names of ASCOT BLUE, ANTIQUE GREEN, or ANTIQUE WHITE.
be say over a thousand numbers off even though they were built on the same day at the same plant? And would what I've read up on that vin numbers were not in order when cars were assigned a vin? Thanks for the paint info as I've had the discussion with Chevelle guys near me and they say no LIGHT sandalwood was not a color for 71 it was sandalwood and they pull out their decoding books and show me. So then I pull out the build sheet where it's one of the few readable things and they get this puzzled look on their face...lol. On both our build sheets it is list as the last option on the right side say where the RPO Z15 SS 454 pkg would appear on an LS5 or LS6 build sheet as an example. Let me see if i can post a pic of mine.
VIN sequence numbers wouldn't be more than 500-600 numbers apart on the same day I wouldn't think; 500-600 cars a day was about tops for Arlington in 71, depending on the month.Yes you would be correct I'm confusing the vin and the Fischer body sequence numbers. I was trying to get at would our VINS
ok thanks we're good I was subtracting my 182 from the 183 of his vin and forgetting to subtract the whole vin number being mines at the high side of the 182 sequence and his is at the lower end of the 183 sequence so we're well within your guess of 500-600 cars a day.
hahaha funny man...is that vert painted yet? :-DSaying "VIN Number" is the same as saying "Vehicle Identification Number Number"...just sayin'
Especially when many VINs contains one or more letters, even 'vehicle identification number' isn't correct. :yes:Saying "VIN Number" is the same as saying "Vehicle Identification Number Number"...just sayin'
