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Post Your best E.T. with O.E iron heads..

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#1 ·
Post your best E/T and combo etc with IRON OE heads with out power adder.:yes:
 
#34 · (Edited)
#35 ·
Times in signature,both Iron ovals,closed chambers in 4000lb 4 speed vehicles.
 
#38 ·
Not my car or engine combo but for some small block reading see this thread
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291015&highlight=

As to what the engine is and all it might all be here but you would have to ask him to be for sure if you want to know more.
The 400 is now done

Back in june we went to Pinks All Out and blew the drive shaft, We decided to look in the "junk" engine and found it was cracked

BillK on here can state how big of junk the engine actually is (cast crank looked 100 years old)

Anyways it is complete and here is the old combo and the new combo below, We rushed on it working until about 3am last night and tonight, It will go in the car tomorrow

The old engine combo was......
- GM 4 bolt block bored, no other work, piston .026" in the hole
- GM 350 rods
- KB OE type pistons for 5.7 rods (claimer i think) , 10.96:1 compression with our quench
- 5/64" 5/64" 3/16" rings
- GM 291 heads, No porting except bowls
- Crane solid cam 256/264 @.050" .545"/.563" 105 lobe seperation
- vic jr
- 850 BG modified by us

The new engine is (which will come out when the EQ head/Dr. J's 406 goes in and this engine below will be the back up engine).............
- GM 4 Bolt main block, line honed, decked, bored/honed, filled with Hardblok (Thanks to BillK)
- GM crank
- Scat 6" Pro Comp Rods (had to notch some cylinders and relieve the oil pan rail some)
- Keith Black Premium Forged 2618 pistons (nice and moderate to light weight)
- 1/16" 1/16" 3/16" rings (LOW TENSION)
- King Engine Bearings
- Rotating unit balanced by Billk
- Same 291 heads EXCEPT due to unexpected problems we had an extra wait on the block work, so we did some porting to the exhaust (very mild, BillK saw it), gasket matched (nothing down in runners) and more bowl work and valve job
- Same 1.46" Crane Cams Valve Springs (which i think are/were PAC) still pressure test with in single digits of what they are suppose to be so we used them again (they must have 300-400 runs)
- Crane Saturday Night Special 292/300 @.020" 256/264 @.050" .545"/.563" 105 lobe seperation angle, 102 intake centerline
- Victor Jr. Intake (we may run a few runs after break in time and try our professional products Victor Jr. "look alike" that did ET quicker than the Victor Jr. on the Chevelle
- 850 BG Modified by us (same as a 1000hp Holley)

As to the compression on the new engine, With our heads, head gaskets, deck and pistons we are 12.38:1 EXCEPT i have to figure out how much compression loss we have by top ring location (the higher the top ring the less compression loss), should be about 12.30:1 with our top ring location

Here are some specs, some i dont have with me on the block
- Main bearing clearance .003" / .003" / .003" / .003" / 003"
- Rod bearing clearance (If we had more "time" we would have ordered a set of .001" extra oil clearance and mixed matched bearings to get an extra .0005" but we "can live" with it here
Rod #1 .0021"
Rod #2 .0022"
Rod #3 .0022"
Rod #4 .0021"
Rod #5 .0021"
Rod #6 .0022"
Rod #7 .0020"
Rod #8 .0020"
- Rod side clearance (If we had more "time" again we would have set all the side clearances closer to .030")
Rods # 1&2 .026"
Rods # 3&4 .026"
Rods # 5&6 .020"
Rods # 7&8 .020"
- Crankshaft end play .0065"
- Piston to wall clearance .0075" (will have to look as i forgot that info sheet, its in the shop not my pocket like this one, off memory Bill & I talked about .0075" and thats what i recall them at but will have to look)
- Piston to valve clearance, we checked it with checking springs but had so much visable clearnace we didnt bother to measure
- Rod bolt torque to get proper stretch (.0046") after each rod torqued to suggest torque 6 times, most all of them had to go 65 foot pounds, one was 66 and one was 67

Now i have used many Crane cams timing sets which i cant anymore as they are not opened on that end (they actually did make billet gears there, very accurate gears) , when you degree a cam you have many factors against you such as....
- user error
- key way error in crank
- key way error in crank gear
- error in cam gear
- error in camshaft & more

The cam is a 105 lobe center with 3 degrees advanced ground in which should put the ICL @ 102 and this is where i wanted it, I have been saving a Crane Billet 9 Key Way timing set as we cant get the accurate ones from Crane anymore until they re-open, We degreed the cam and the ICL is clearly @ 102 degrees making it perfect

We did have to notch the cylinders and the oil pan rails for rod & rod bolt clearance, we have clearance .060" or larger now

Here is a link to the pistons we are running, EXCELLENT pistons for the money. They are nice and light
http://kb-silvolite.com/forged.php?action=details&P_id=328

We would like to thank Billk for all the work in the block and balancing, I know Bill was happy to see this block leave his shop as the block was in love with Bill or had a curse on him because everything that "could" go wrong did go wrong, Thanks BillK

The cars weight is 2800 pounds, heavier now by probally about 50 pounds due to extra bracing and safety items. With the original combo listed at the top best ET was 10.41 and 128.42mph with many many low 10.40 runs, Cars combo is as follows,,,,,,,
- Powerglide with ATI 5200rpm Treemaster converter 8" with Transbrake
- 12 bolt rear, spool & 4.88's with 32x14 Mickey Thompson ET Drag Slicks
- 2800 old weight plus about 50 pounds (may be a few less than 50 pounds, Will know race day)

Any guess on ET's?
 
#42 ·
Something tells me that the engine specs were copied out of a magazine.:yes:
 
#48 ·
Combo and info in sig, and it was the first time I've ran it! Should go a lot faster with some traction and tuning.
 
#51 ·
I just recently got my old nova back out and went a 10.05 with a 1.5 60ft.I have had some high 1.3s in this car in the past so as soon as I work the bugs out it should go close to a 9.80.Im running 781 oval ports and a team g intake with no power adders.Old chevy stuff works if the combination is correct.You dont have to look no farther than Vortecpros 68 to see that even in a tank iron chevy stuff can get it done.this vid is dark but you can barely see the time.Im glad I have headlights on the car at this track
 
#52 ·
I just recently got my old nova back out and went a 10.05 with a 1.5 60ft.I have had some high 1.3s in this car in the past so as soon as I work the bugs out it should go close to a 9.80.Im running 781 oval ports and a team g intake with no power adders.Old chevy stuff works if the combination is correct.You dont have to look no farther than Vortecpros 68 to see that even in a tank iron chevy stuff can get it done.this vid is dark but you can barely see the time.Im glad I have headlights on the car at this track joes 1965 nova - YouTube
What compression and cam?
 
#53 ·
Well just got motor back together but so far the 512 went 11.09 at 122.9. Hopefully mid 10s when I get suspension lined out!!! They are the 990 castings rectangle open chamber heads.
 
#54 ·
Where does compression fit into this thread?

I mean if you are using iron heads and high compression...say 12 to 1 or more.....cant you run just as fast if not faster and the same combo on............alum. heads and lower compression around 11 to 1 and below?
 
#55 ·
The stall is a Summit got off my buddys shelf, supposed to be 2800-3000 but not even close with the big block pushes tires at about 2500 , complete build with motor & trans. motor & tran out of old ambulance, pos summit cam, 600.00 in 049 heads, took off peanut ports, old torker 2, 200.00 carb thats it, running it all summer & having a blast with a total of 1400.00 just installed super powershot at 100 hp as to not hurt it , will keep posted, The car went a 12.19 at 110mph last time out in 94 degree heat,looking for an 11.9 in good air w/a little better hook
 
#61 ·
121mph 3750 pounds and a 4 gear with a closed chamber 427, dart intake, rec. port ported by Bill Ash, 1000cfm barry grant, trw -34.20 closed chamber pistons, lunati .692 .695, at .050 260 267, 28/12.5 street e.t. 11.5:1 comp, just a 4 speed street car:yes:

I have a friend that has gone 9.80s with his oval port 468, th400, dont have much more info off the top of my head though.
 
#62 ·
the first motor in the chevelle was a 358, 12:1, lunati 288/298 543/561, 461 camel back heads.
1.79 60' 12.58@106
the second motor was a 468, 11.7:1, crane cams290/300 580/600, oval port heads.
1.58 60' 11.20@120.
only got 2 runs on the big block before i got in trouble for not having a roll cage and a fire suit.
both motors had 3500 stall, 400 turbo, 4.88 gears, 28x10.5 m&h racemaster cheater slicks. ran the big block for a few years and sold it and put the small block back in.
 
#65 ·
the first motor in the chevelle was a 358, 12:1, lunati 288/298 543/561, 461 camel back heads.
1.79 60' 12.58@106
the second motor was a 468, 11.7:1, crane cams290/300 580/600, oval port heads.
1.58 60' 11.20@120.
only got 2 runs on the big block before i got in trouble for not having a roll cage and a fire suit.
both motors had 3500 stall, 400 turbo, 4.88 gears, 28x10.5 m&h racemaster cheater slicks. ran the big block for a few years and sold it and put the small block back in.



Can I ask why?:confused:
 
#71 ·
mine just got slightly better.I went a 10.01 first pass friday.I took 2 more pounds out of tires and turned 2 step up to 4000.I got to the staging lanes and they had turbo dodge roadrunner put alot of oil down.It took over a hour to clean it up and just when they got it done it started raining.The 9s will have to wait until 2 weeks from now I guess.Im running 781 oval ports

 
#72 ·
mine just got slightly better.I went a 10.01 first pass friday.I took 2 more pounds out of tires and turned 2 step up to 4000.I got to the staging lanes and they had turbo dodge roadrunner put alot of oil down.It took over a hour to clean it up and just when they got it done it started raining.The 9s will have to wait until 2 weeks from now I guess.Im running 781 oval ports

1965 nova - YouTube


My uncles car use to bounce like yours off the line, work on that and you see 9's real soon:yes: also you might see better et with some squares since your car is light.
 
#74 ·
Just wanted to update my iron headed bbc.I just went 9.64@134 with a set of 781s on a 454 60 over block.I know the iron gms might not be the best out there but so many people are still running good times with these things.Sometimes in a quest to have the best we overlook the good old meat and taters combinations.If weather holds out here in good ole Indiana we are going to try it again and see if it will go slightly faster...take care
PS. this is the 9.64 pass.Its alittle hard to see the clocks but you can make out a 9.64 on it..