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Bin Ladens Last post on Facebook
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Oh I agree...just that no one cared to take care if the issue. Now someone did and the few have an issue with it. I look at it this way...
What if we spent all this time and money setting this all up, had our seals risk their lives, only for them to get shot at, injured, killed and Osama gets away cause some wanted him alive.
Imagine what would happen if we made an attempt and failed? Al Q would come back in full force.
I guess it's the difference between rights for CITIZENS, including trial by jury, vs each person's view of what's ethically or morally "right". For me, from a morals point of view, he got what he deserved. In fact I would have wanted to torture him for a few hours knowing he was going to die first before killing him, like many of those who died in the trade centers, pentagon and 3 planes. But that's my personal view of what's right and wrong. An eye for an eye. No different than someone coming here and killing my family - citizen or not. I realize that's not everyone's view, however. But there's no way he should have had any rights afforded citizens here! We were attacked nearly 10 years ago. We're at war. There was no doubt about his role.
I have no problem with how the whole thing was handled, from taking him out to the burial at sea with no pics. I hate to admit it, because I'm no fan, but Obama and his team deserves a lot of credit for this outcome, imo.
I have no problem with how the whole thing was handled, from taking him out to the burial at sea with no pics. I hate to admit it, because I'm no fan, but Obama and his team deserves a lot of credit for this outcome, imo.
How about serial killers? Should the police just put a bullet in their head? Their victims didn't get a trial either. Just killed in cold blood.
"Your" country has rules, if you don't want to follow them, maybe you should be the one looking for a different place of residence. I would suggest any Middle Eastern country or some South American tin pot dictator where your kind of "justice" is accepted.
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On many missions I was a part of, I was asked if I had any issues with what I would encounter. KNOWING FULL WELL, I might have to shoot at someone or even have a shot hit a child...
These are navy seals. They don't plant flowerbeds in shíthole countries.
Justice? How's self defense?
Next time we fight a war, maybe we should walk around with broomsticks? Man, can't
even kick a terrorist group in the junk w/o someone having an issue...
Osama doesn't have US rights.
There were 3 regiments of paki's military outside his fortified walls. They had to know obl was there...who else would burn their
trash everyday? They usually throw it on the ground.
I'm sure I'll be deployed again...I'm just wondering when comments like some of the ones we see here will prohibit our military from using bullets. They shoot AK's, I'll be
using spitballs...at least ammo for spitballs is readily available.
Your in the country with the worlds most powerful military, maybe by us reaching out
and touching someone like obl will drive a point home?
yeah because that approach has worked so well up until now.
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If someone hurts me, I can shoot him 10 years later and claim self-defense? Awesome.
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So your against the US going in there at all?If someone hurts me, I can shoot him 10 years later and claim self-defense? Awesome.
Its hillarious to me that people compare this asshat to laws and rights and processes asshats in our country, our citizens, etc fall under.
Bet you guys would of been crying like women when we were hunting and actively killing / executing the german "werewolves" in WWII.
Oh no....they deserve this and they are entitled to this and fair this....
Hell no. You die and you die in quick form with extreme prejudice. This is how war and combat works. This is how war and combat is won. Its not won by capturing the enemy and taking them to the hague....and remember, even if that were the case we dont have the same gut and world pull we had in WWII where we had fast tacked trials and had the nuts to actually line people up and kill / hang them as was done with Nazis.
So what do you do? Find them and kill them. My only disagreement with this entire thing is that they didnt put a bullet in the head of every man, woman and child living in that compound. Every last person there should have been waxed.
Bet you guys would of been crying like women when we were hunting and actively killing / executing the german "werewolves" in WWII.
Oh no....they deserve this and they are entitled to this and fair this....
Hell no. You die and you die in quick form with extreme prejudice. This is how war and combat works. This is how war and combat is won. Its not won by capturing the enemy and taking them to the hague....and remember, even if that were the case we dont have the same gut and world pull we had in WWII where we had fast tacked trials and had the nuts to actually line people up and kill / hang them as was done with Nazis.
So what do you do? Find them and kill them. My only disagreement with this entire thing is that they didnt put a bullet in the head of every man, woman and child living in that compound. Every last person there should have been waxed.
first i aint a us citizen, and this is just my euros worth.... if it had been me i would have shot him too, why waste time effort and money on a media circus , just waste him .. did he give a damn or cry a tear for any of his victims worldwide, not only just in the twin towers but london and across the world. not a single tear would he shed. he was a terrorist and terrorism was his way of life. if you live by the sword you die by the sword... war is war and there is always consequences, but terrorism is not like two opposing armies across a battle field...
if he had been taken alive and put on trial, where in the world would he have got a so called unbiased and fair hearing, it would be like trying to put adolf hitler or his ilk on trial...
also if he was taken alive, think about his organisation and their ability to take hostages etc etc, these would be hold and, or executed until his release... more innocent people would die until his release... these terrorists do not think like normal people, dont forget where i am from. ireland and over the years we have had our own amount of terrorists and their ways. we do not want to return to that way of life..over the years we have had thousands of innocent men women and children killed and maimed by terrorist attacks.
regardless if obl was armed or not, tough .. he would not hesitate to shot unarmed people.
his death will not end terrorism of al Q ,but it has been dealt a major blow, these people in the middle east and pakistan and similar countries have a total indifference to human life unlike so called infidel countries. why waste time and effort debating should he have been taken alive or not, whats done is done and cant be undone, i just hope that this gives some form of closure to the families of his terrorism.... i hope i havnt offended anybody on the other side of the pond by this post...
if he had been taken alive and put on trial, where in the world would he have got a so called unbiased and fair hearing, it would be like trying to put adolf hitler or his ilk on trial...
also if he was taken alive, think about his organisation and their ability to take hostages etc etc, these would be hold and, or executed until his release... more innocent people would die until his release... these terrorists do not think like normal people, dont forget where i am from. ireland and over the years we have had our own amount of terrorists and their ways. we do not want to return to that way of life..over the years we have had thousands of innocent men women and children killed and maimed by terrorist attacks.
regardless if obl was armed or not, tough .. he would not hesitate to shot unarmed people.
his death will not end terrorism of al Q ,but it has been dealt a major blow, these people in the middle east and pakistan and similar countries have a total indifference to human life unlike so called infidel countries. why waste time and effort debating should he have been taken alive or not, whats done is done and cant be undone, i just hope that this gives some form of closure to the families of his terrorism.... i hope i havnt offended anybody on the other side of the pond by this post...
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Guess we should tell the Seals that their not supposed to kill people like this.
What the hell do we train them for?
I say take him out, whether the body makes it out or not, you have confirmation.
Capturing him, what a joke, would have lead to a decade of waiting, giving him rights, can't torture him cause of all the whiners, would have fallen under our constitution...dunno why chuck Norris didn't just end this years ago.
What the hell do we train them for?
I say take him out, whether the body makes it out or not, you have confirmation.
Capturing him, what a joke, would have lead to a decade of waiting, giving him rights, can't torture him cause of all the whiners, would have fallen under our constitution...dunno why chuck Norris didn't just end this years ago.
WWII was a declared war. Very different than thee ephemeral "GWOT" we are operating under today.
And you said it yourself. There were trials even then. They may have been kangaroo courts, but even the Nazi's had Nuremberg.
I'll go with your "every person should be waxed" theory as long as we can stop crying over "9/11 victims". Deal?
Because you reap what you sow. If you don't have a problem killing every man, woman, and child over there, at least be man enough to accept it when it's done to you.
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that approach wasn't used up until now. we've invaded countries and managed to destroy a lot of property and kill a lot of people, but this kind of precise raid hasn't really been widely used on high value targets.
liam....................well said.
OBL didn't necessarily, but we still have rules that govern OUR behavior and how can we sell the "making the world safe for democracy" line when we clearly don't abide by our own rules?For that matter, why would anybody outside of the USA be guaranteed constitutional rights of United States citizens?
Our own laws define terrorism as a criminal act. If OBL committed the crime of terrorism, which he has still never been charged with, then he would be subject to our legal system.
It's loosely referred to as "practice what you preach"For that matter, why would anybody outside of the USA be guaranteed constitutional rights of United States citizens?
Oh ok, I get it, so we're at war, and the rules are different in war. But against what nation? Oh that's right, we're at war against a tactic.
We have a war on drugs. That's a war too I guess. so, since it's a war, I guess that means you guys can just go out and shoot pot smokers in the head. They are the footsoldiers of the enemy in the war on drugs, right? No need for a trial. They are enemy combatants.
Oh, and don't forget LBJ's war on poverty. So, I guess we also need to send out seal teams to shoot rich people in the head? They're the enemy in THAT war, right? Right?
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Jeff Sorry if you were offended but thats how I feel and from the looks of it most everyone else.Sorry you didnt capture Bin Laden,you could have taken him to lunch,headed up his defense team,maybe discussed his bad childhood of how he just got involved with the wrong crowd. He could have been on Oprahs last show and Dr Phil could have reformed him! May the bastard rot in hell A trial. REALLY? Are you serious?
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shortly after 9/11- in fact, maybe on that very day- the president said that you are either with us or you are with the terrorists. he also said that any country that harbors known terrorists will be treated as our enemy and that we would go wherever we needed to go and do whatever we needed to do to get them.
looks to me like we are finally following the "practice what you preach" way of looking at things. we said we would hunt the bad guys down wherever they were and that there would be no safe havens for our enemies, and we finally followed thru on that.
Pakistan's "official" stance is that Osama and Al Queda are enemies of their country. by hunting him down and taking him out, we are "officially" doing them a favor. they are publicly acting kind of butthurt that we didn't tell them what was going on or ask for permission or assistance, but every time we have told them what we were up to and asked for their help, the bad guys were always conveniently not there when we showed up or dropped our bombs. now Al Queda thinks that they aren't safe anywhere and that most of their biggest secrets and future plans are known, and that alone is a major win in this whole "war on terror" thing.
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