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What do you think about NASCAR's new rule change?

  • Too little too late?

    Votes: 23 82%

  • Just in time for the chase?

    Votes: 5 18%
  • Total voters
    28
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dscabra said:
http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/bg/07/23/engine.rule.amendment/index.html

Too little too late, or just in time for the chase?
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I am glad to see they have done something about it but that is only in the Nationwide(formerly the Busch)series. It does not apply to the Sprint Cup series so it will have no effect on the chase. Hopefully they will do the same in the Cup series but I doubt that will happen this year.
I am so sick of seeing Kyle Busch out motor everyone and winning all the time.
That little punk make me want to hurl!:angry:
 
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some Toyota feller said:
"The success of the Toyota Camry this year in the Nationwide Series is the result of hard work and achievement by all of our race teams -- Braun Racing, Joe Gibbs Racing, Germain Racing and Michael Waltrip Racing -- working in conjunction with TRD U.S.A. All the tireless efforts by our teams, TRD and Triad during the offseason, at preseason testing and during the first half of the year, combined with extremely talented drivers, have produced exceptional results.
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So how many cubic dollars invested is that over the other teams?
 
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I remember the 426 hemi in the sixties making too much power and the Chevy and Ford teams claiming foul. The article also says that the "Nationwide engine was built strictly to NASCAR specifications". I think that the other teams better get to work on improving there own engines. I know that Toyota is not a north american based company but they build and sell a LOT of cars here.
 
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I've got something for the Bush brothers. Its called a louisville slugger! A present from me to them.
 
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Toyota was upset that they wanted to have their engineers design and build ALL engines for NASCAR. When told no they had to buy alot folks to design and build their engine pkgs in other teams. Now they win after spending all this money designing and buying everybody and everything.
Hey when Toyota outspends GM 2-1 in advertising you think they won't outspend GM everywhere else?
 
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prefectca said:
I remember the 426 hemi in the sixties making too much power and the Chevy and Ford teams claiming foul. The article also says that the "Nationwide engine was built strictly to NASCAR specifications". I think that the other teams better get to work on improving there own engines. I know that Toyota is not a north american based company but they build and sell a LOT of cars here.
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NASCAR won't allow the other teams to use the new engines yet. That is why toyota is so far ahead.
 
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As if NASCAR didn't know that Toyota had a horsepower advantage. They probably still do, even with this change. I've been thinking this since the start of the season, and I don't even follow the races all that closely. It was just too obvious.
 
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Bisquit037 said:
I voted just in time for the chase. But I still feel toyota and the COT has all but ruined NASCAR and it will never be the same again.
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How did Toyota "ruin" NASCAR?

COTF and NASCAR themselves, are ruining NASCAR... NASCAR might as well supply "sealed" engines to the teams like the old IROC series...

I thought Toyota designed the engine to fit within NASCAR's specs (and allow use of existing race pieces (bell houinsgs, etc)... Why don't Ford or Chevrolet just design a new engine to fit within the specs?



Dyno tests after the June 21 race at The Milwaukee Mile revealed a significant horsepower advantage for Toyota over Ford and Chevrolet. Toyota's peak horsepower number was 632, compared with 611 for Ford, 612 for Chevrolet and 628 for Dodge.
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So, with ONLY 4 more HP than the Dodge engine, WHY didn't Dodge get penalized??? They are still 16 HP over Chevy (that 80% of the difference between Toyota and Chevy)...

So Toyota won 14 of 21 races... I ASSUME Dodge won the remaining 7 (with that HP advantage over Ford/Chevy)...
 
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Huh, and I always thought the point of racing was to build the fastest car within the confines of the rules and that all the rules applied to everyone equally. Having rules that apply to some and not others is total BS. For this reason (and many others), NASCAR has been a joke for decades and it's only getting worse.

If your favorite make and favorite driver were motoring past everyone else would you be crying foul then? Nope, you'd probably be saying "job well done". Toyota engines are better at this point in time, what's wrong with that? Instead of slowing down Toyota, perhaps the other makes should be finding ways to catch up. THAT'S another major point of racing: innovate to be better than the other guy.
 
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67ElkyBryan said:
NASCAR was ruined way before Toyota came into the mix.
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Ruined by money, mostly. And cars that all looked alike even before TCOT came along.

I'd like to see them go back to the Mid 70's sheetmetal; Chargers, Mercs, and of course a few Colonade cars out there too :thumbsup: Everybody knows they're not based on production cars anymore, so why not?

Dunno what Toyota would use.....a Corolla liftback, maybe. :yes:

-mike
 
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Rich-L79 said:
Huh, and I always thought the point of racing was to build the fastest car within the confines of the rules and that all the rules applied to everyone equally. Having rules that apply to some and not others is total BS. For this reason (and many others), NASCAR has been a joke for decades and it's only getting worse.

If your favorite make and favorite driver were motoring past everyone else would you be crying foul then? Nope, you'd probably be saying "job well done". Toyota engines are better at this point in time, what's wrong with that? Instead of slowing down Toyota, perhaps the other makes should be finding ways to catch up. THAT'S another major point of racing: innovate to be better than the other guy.
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no.. not so..
yes the idea is to be the fastest. within the rules..
but if nascar won't let ford or g.m use their new engine that are within the rules.. but are lettiing toyota.. that isn't fair now is it..
chevy and ford didn't want toyota to get "plates"
they wanted the o.k. to run their new engines that nascar ,hasn't o.k'd yet..
 
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In five years or less it will be the Toyota Racing Series............... Look at IRL oh excuse me, IndyCar now..... its the Honda Racing Series. All Honda All the time in "approved" tubs. What a farce. Although, watching Danica and Milka wrassle would be OK :) Maybe we could just get Danica to whip little Bush's butt.
 
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1966_L78 said:
How did Toyota "ruin" NASCAR?

First of all NASCAR is about American stock cars! toyota buys into the sport with $$$$$, overloads the airways with ads, polutes the track walls with toyota signs and convinces NASCAR to build the cot so they could compete with the American race teams that have busted there a$$es for many years gathering data and making the cars run as they were. Now we have a rice burner with wings, splitters and 35 more HP racing against good ole boys that are struggling to catch up with all the new crap. Give us the old car back and make the toyota teams learn the honest way like FORD, DODGE and CHEVY did. We are selling out and it makes me sick. What the he!! is happening to our country?! I going to enjoy a ice cold beer with some good ole boys. Have a nice weekend everyone.
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d1_bradley said:
In five years or less it will be the Toyota Racing Series............... Look at IRL oh excuse me, IndyCar now..... its the Honda Racing Series. All Honda All the time in "approved" tubs. What a farce. Although, watching Danica and Milka wrassle would be OK :) Maybe we could just get Danica to whip little Bush's butt.
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Sounds like a pay-per-view worth watching! :yes:

Dave
 
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