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DaleM

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Also, some of the codes in the upper boxes are not correct for the options shown in the lower section. I found at least 2 discrepancies that say FAKE sheet all the way.
 
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How did they loose that much of the build sheet when it was Safely folded within the Seat Springs? (With the marks to prove it)

Everything torn away except all the desirable options like LS6, M-22, 4:10.

They went to some serious effort on this one.
 
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Forgive my ignorance...I'm still quite green on build sheet decoding but I'm trying to learn. Are you guys suggesting that the build sheet itself is fake or that it's a real build sheet but does not match the car?
I found my build sheet under the rear seat and it wasn't in much better shape than that. I spent about 2 hours with tweezers and a photo of a complete build sheet, putting little pieces back where they would have gone. I then laminated it and although my car is nothing special and is no longer original, it's just nice to have. My seat was obviously taken in and out of the car at least a few times over the years, and either the build sheet was not noticed or the decision was made to leave it alone.
Couldn't that have answered the question of how they lost so much of it over time?
 
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68chvlss396 said:
I thought all Baltimore built 454 cars had BD on the cowl tag.
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that is a theory only.............never proven.
My '72 Baltimore built SS 454 only has a 'D' on the tag.
 
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69396ss said:
How did they loose that much of the build sheet when it was Safely folded within the Seat Springs? (With the marks to prove it)

Everything torn away except all the desirable options like LS6, M-22, 4:10.

They went to some serious effort on this one.
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Mine was folded up & hogg ringed to the seat frame.
without pulling apart the seat I couldn't get it all out, so maybe same thing here.
 
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dpvoiceguy said:
Forgive my ignorance...
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:noway:

I'm still quite green on build sheet decoding but I'm trying to learn. Are you guys suggesting that the build sheet itself is fake or that it's a real build sheet but does not match the car?
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We're all green in many areas, myself included, not to worry. :D
Actually, both suggestions are correct. The build sheet in-and-of-itself is not real due to data in several blocks incorrect for a 70 Baltimore LS6 w/M40 and data on the build sheet doesn't match an important piece of data found on the trim tag meaning if (and it's a big if) the build sheet were correct in-and-of-itself, it doesn't belong to this car.

I found my build sheet under the rear seat and it wasn't in much better shape than that. I spent about 2 hours with tweezers and a photo of a complete build sheet, putting little pieces back where they would have gone. I then laminated it and although my car is nothing special and is no longer original, it's just nice to have. My seat was obviously taken in and out of the car at least a few times over the years, and either the build sheet was not noticed or the decision was made to leave it alone.
Couldn't that have answered the question of how they lost so much of it over time?
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Nice to have any little piece of your car's history. :thumbsup:
 
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that is a theory only.............never proven.
My '72 Baltimore built SS 454 only has a 'D' on the tag.
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Dan, I realize that it has the same status as the Kansas built 69 SS cars having an "L". I guess I should have worded it differently like (Has anyone ever seen a 70 LS5 or LS6 built in Baltimore that did not have the BD?)
 
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I found my build sheet under the rear seat and it wasn't in much better shape than that. I spent about 2 hours with tweezers and a photo of a complete build sheet, putting little pieces back where they would have gone.
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dreis454 said:
Mine was folded up & hogg ringed to the seat frame.

without pulling apart the seat I couldn't get it all out, so maybe same thing here.
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I guess that would explain it then, I would just have thought that if a build sheet is hogg ringed into the back seat, that you would indeed un-hog ring it and carefully remove it instead of making confetti out of it.

I saw my buildsheet in the back seat hogg ringed in within the seat cover and the springs, I carefully removed the covers, rings, and foam and removed the sheet intact.

All of this effort, with Rubber Gloves on like I was unearthing an ancient artifact, only to find that it was a 1971 build sheet. (A 307 car at that) that must have donated the rear seat frame to mine along the way.

I guess I can see how somebody could get excited and start tearing at it pretty easily though.

I shredded a 1969 Corvette 427 tank sheet back in the day reaching in from the top fill door opening and yanking out teenie, tiny shreds.

Taking an hour to Drop the Gas tank would have produced a flawless intact sheet.

They can be extremely fragile and after a couple of overly excited tugs it's all over and confetti is flying :D

So ya, I forgot about the excited, reckless abandon that some times happens when you first see them. I'm guilty of that myself.
 
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69396ss said:
I guess that would explain it then, I would just have thought that if a build sheet is hogg ringed into the back seat, that you would indeed un-hog ring it and carefully remove it instead of making confetti out of it.
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@ the time I didn't think it was the B/S until I already had torn it.:(:eek:
after I knew was it was,then the adreineline started flowing.:yes:
 
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68chvlss396 said:
Dan, I realize that it has the same status as the Kansas built 69 SS cars having an "L". I guess I should have worded it differently like (Has anyone ever seen a 70 LS5 or LS6 built in Baltimore that did not have the BD?)
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Documented 70's,Dave:thumbsup:
 
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Not just the 454's, my 71 Baltimore SS, has the 402, and has BD on the cowl tag
 
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Fake sheet indeed. Font is all wrong. Along with some other telltales.
 
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69396ss said:
I guess that would explain it then, I would just have thought that if a build sheet is hogg ringed into the back seat, that you would indeed un-hog ring it and carefully remove it instead of making confetti out of it.

I saw my buildsheet in the back seat hogg ringed in within the seat cover and the springs, I carefully removed the covers, rings, and foam and removed the sheet intact.


So ya, I forgot about the excited, reckless abandon that some times happens when you first see them. I'm guilty of that myself.
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I managed to find this picture of how mine looked when I found it. I brought it to an interior shop as-is in order to ask his opinion on getting it out. This thing was a dry and brittle as a leaf in November. We agreed that there was no good way to extract it whole, even disassembling the seat (which he thought might damage it more). I got it out in a few large pieces and a ton of small ones which I ended up piecing together. All of this just for a conversation piece, I guess.
 
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dpvoiceguy said:
I managed to find this picture of how mine looked when I found it. I brought it to an interior shop as-is in order to ask his opinion on getting it out. This thing was a dry and brittle as a leaf in November. We agreed that there was no good way to extract it whole, even disassembling the seat (which he thought might damage it more). I got it out in a few large pieces and a ton of small ones which I ended up piecing together. All of this just for a conversation piece, I guess.
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that is EXACTLY how mine looked before I removed it.:yes:
see how it looks now in my showroom pic.......best I could do.:(
 
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