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Following all the posts here, the subject of which solid rollers to use gets mentioned frequently.
I think I've heard Isky Red's? Crower, and oneother as being the best for occasional street use.

What about the Comp Endure X?

These also have pressure fed oil to the needle bearings.

Just curious, I'll use the comps cause I have them and with the track being about 5 miles from my house, It will take a long time to acquire 5k miles on the engine.

Ron
 
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I decided on Iskys over the Crowers for my solid roller 540 because the Iskys are rebuildable. Both are excellent choices--but I like the idea of being able to get them rebuilt instead of having to buy a whole new set.
 
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Originally posted by Rapid Robert:
Consensus says that Crower severe duty and ISky red zone are the best roller lifters,bar none. I think Mike will chime in on your endure x lifters ;)
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Chime, Chime :D
I personally would not use the Endurnots in any engine I was building period.
There are a few on here that cam give you examples of their experience if they read this.

BTW, They do not have pressure pin oiling.
All they have is a double groove which squirts oil on the roller & cam which is not the problem area on a roller.

The Isky Red Zones & Crowers with the pin oiling option are the best lifter I know of at this time except for the Jesels & they are $1800 & up but would still not be the best lifter for street use as last I heard they didn't have pin oiling.

And I do prefer the Isky's & also have pretty fair pricing on them if you email me ;)
 
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The Isky Red Zones & Crowers with the pin oiling option are the best lifter I know of at this time except for the Jesels & they are $1800 & up but would still not be the best lifter for street use as last I heard they didn't have pin oiling.[/QB]
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What about the ceramic/composite Schubecks, Mike?
 
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Originally posted by 10secBu:
All Crane roller lifters have pressurized pin/bearing oiling standard. Even the base horizontal tie bar lifters I run.
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Blue,
As far as I know this is not true.
I have a horizontal bar one sitting here that broke & I am looking up into where the roller used to be & there are no oil passages in it. ;)
 
#8 ·
Well, mine are now two or three years old...mine definately have a very small oil feed hole...gotta look real hard. A Crane tech told me that info before I sent my old set in for their trade in program. The old set was of unknown age and they did not have the oil feed hole.
 
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Originally posted by 10secBu:
Well, mine are now two or three years old...mine definately have a very small oil feed hole...gotta look real hard. A Crane tech told me that info before I sent my old set in for their trade in program. The old set was of unknown age and they did not have the oil feed hole.
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The one I am looking at has no hole in it.
I had heard the new ones have an oil hole that squirts oil on the roller but as far as I know it does not oil the needles, only the outside of the roller.
The Isky & Crower have a crossdrilled hole that points directly at the needles.

I haven't used Cranes in at least 5 years so I will not say they don't have pressure oiling but they make no mention of it in any literature I have seen & as I said the one I have in my hand does not have it??
 
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My good friend has put 30K on a Crane setup, their smallest, SR236.
 
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I think I'm going to be ill.
Hopefully I can send them back.
Thanks,
Ron
 
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I'm glad I read this post. My next engine will probably get a solid-roller, and I definitely want pin-oiling in the lifters.

So Crower and Isky are the best choices. Thanks guys.
 
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Originally posted by Ron454:
Following all the posts here, the subject of which solid rollers to use gets mentioned frequently.
I think I've heard Isky Red's? Crower, and oneother as being the best for occasional street use.

What about the Comp Endure X?

These also have pressure fed oil to the needle bearings.

Just curious, I'll use the comps cause I have them and with the track being about 5 miles from my house, It will take a long time to acquire 5k miles on the engine.

Ron
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Ron,

I'd send them back while you can. I had a set I used "because I had them" and it cost me a cam also. They had way less than 5000 miles on them, maybe 1000 at the most. The spring pressure was exactly what Comp wanted. They have a problem with them period. I swapped over to the Crowers with hippo option and they've been fine for almost 2 years.

Jody
 
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I have a set of Isky Red Zones on my solid cammed motor thats had 1.2k street miles and 6 1/4 runs and there has been zero movement on the lash since day one. I suppose thats next to nothing miles, but I've had it at 6800 more times than I count.. a rev limiter is an absolute must.. I'd have blown the engine 8 or 10 times by now w/o one. My hyd. roller just wouldn't rev fast enough to do that!
I am running a girdle though. I was told there shouldn't be any issues on the street, but I've been told alot of things. IMHO there is alot of hooplah about solid rollers on the street from people using excessive grinds. As smooth and free-feeling this cam is, the correct hydraulic roller IMHO will always have its place on the street. But I was told to check the lash pretty infrequently after the thing takes it set, and from what I've seen it doesn't even need to do that. The only yuck thing is that the cam installation guy said I *must* lash it hot. So if you want to lay out the cash for the iskys or crowers, give it a whirl. I just want to know where all my gas is going since the cam swap! This thing eats fuel!


Matt
 
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Just as a point of reference , Crane has been offering oil pressure fed roller tappets since circa 1983.Below is some text taken from the 1985-86 Crane catalog.

" In those applications where cylinder block designes allows , a unique " Controlled Splash " oiling design is utilized.This directs cooling lubricating oil flow to the tappets roller bearings and tappet " Wheel" ,yet does not divert excessive oil flow away from critical engines bearings.Oil flow is precisely metered through a .030 orifice, providing sufficient oiling for low speed as well as high RPM applications ".

However it should be mentione that not all Crane rollers have this option and I think they are of a different oiling design than the newer Isky and Crower designs.But it is true that some Crane roller tappets do have this feature.
 
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Originally posted by rwelch:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The Isky Red Zones & Crowers with the pin oiling option are the best lifter I know of at this time except for the Jesels & they are $1800 & up but would still not be the best lifter for street use as last I heard they didn't have pin oiling.
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What about the ceramic/composite Schubecks, Mike? [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]=
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I have used the Schubecks for some flat tappet stuff & they are about indestructible.
Haven't used the radius Schubecks but they do take a special cam because of the size of the radius.
They also have a new roller that sits in a pocket & uses no rollers that looks interesting but ain't real cheap & requires a bit of machine work as they are 1".
Again, can't comment as I haven't tried it but if you want to spring for a set I'll be glad to test em for you,,, :D
 
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Originally posted by 69LS1:
Just as a point of reference , Crane has been offering oil pressure fed roller tappets since circa 1983.Below is some text taken from the 1985-86 Crane catalog.

" In those applications where cylinder block designes allows , a unique " Controlled Splash " oiling design is utilized.This directs cooling lubricating oil flow to the tappets roller bearings and tappet " Wheel" ,yet does not divert excessive oil flow away from critical engines bearings.Oil flow is precisely metered through a .030 orifice, providing sufficient oiling for low speed as well as high RPM applications ".

However it should be mentione that not all Crane rollers have this option and I think they are of a different oiling design than the newer Isky and Crower designs.But it is true that some Crane roller tappets do have this feature.
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I know they oil the rollers & needles but all they do is drill a hole down the side of the lifter body to squirt at the edge of the roller & I wasn't aware they were doing this until Todd brought it up & I did some checking
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Isky & Crower cross drill a pressurized passage the put oil directly into the needles.
Also, ask Crane what they machine their lifters out of.
Then check with Isky ;)
They are less money & a quality lifter but they are not Isky's or Crowers ;)

This is not a knock on any of the lifters out there except for maybe one that I wouldn't put in anything :D & people have run them all without problems at one time or another.

What I am saying is the Isky's & Crowers are in my opinion the best out there now for a reasonable price & the Isky's are all I will use.
I have no problem with the Crowers I just personally prefer the Isky's
 
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