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Discussion starter · #1 ·
I have used DeskTop Dyno for years with some pretty good results. You can tweak cam, head, intake, carb, etc and make improvements along the way.
The important thing is to know your cam spec's and head flow numbers for the best results.

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Well her is what I got so far. The head flow numbers you will have to just guess for me. I never had them flowed.

496
4.25 forged crank
SRP 18cc domed forged pistons
6.385 H-beam rods
781's 2.19/1.88 116 cc chambers Ported and bowl blend ( no flow numbers) educated guess is fine.
1.7 roller rockers
.047 quench (.039 gasket thickness, pistons are .008 in the hole)
Pro-Systems 950 HP
Edelbrock RPM Air Gap
cam - 286/292 adv. 241/249 @ .050 .572/.590
HEI ignition


I'm interested in a just a good ballpark. Just trying to get an idea of how much I will actually be dealing with.

Thanks. Kyle
 
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justkyle said:
Well her is what I got so far. The head flow numbers you will have to just guess for me. I never had them flowed.

496
4.25 forged crank
SRP 18cc domed forged pistons
6.385 H-beam rods
781's 2.19/1.88 116 cc chambers Ported and bowl blend ( no flow numbers) educated guess is fine.
1.7 roller rockers
.047 quench (.039 gasket thickness, pistons are .008 in the hole)
Pro-Systems 950 HP
Edelbrock RPM Air Gap
cam - 286/292 adv. 241/249 @ .050 .572/.590
HEI ignition


I'm interested in a just a good ballpark. Just trying to get an idea of how much I will actually be dealing with.

Thanks. Kyle
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I need est. compression, cam lca, is cam is hyd or solid?

Based on what you gave me and me taking some guesses I came up with these numbers. Remember, this is not RWHP.

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Hey Jim, Those are awesome numbers, too bad you dont drive it on the street, would be a blast. Only if you have nothing better to do :D, here is my combo as well:

468 C.I. Buildup

· Mark IV 4-bolt 454 Bored 60 thous over #3999289 casting w/ ARP main bolts
· KB207 25.5cc domed pistons
· GM “truck” thumb rods w/ ARP bolts
· GM steel crank, forged, cross drilled, 5140 steel #3963521 casting
· GM Heads 69-84 oval, open, '69 396/265hp, 366T, 427T, 112cc chamber #3933148 casting w/ ARP bolts
· Larger 2.19”/1.88” Dynagear Valves
· Bowls Blended and chambers opened to ~118cc
· Full port job
· Compression ~10.3:1
· ARP rocker studs
· Moroso 3/8” chrome moly pushrods
· Hi-Tech valve springs
· Comp Cams “Magnum” roller tip rocker arms
· Lunati Voodoo #60204 installed straight up
· Advertised Duration IN/EX: 276/284
· Duration @ .050 IN/EX: 233/241
· Gross Valve Lift IN/EX: .554"/.572"
· LSA / ICL: 110/106
· Holley 850 CFM double pumper w/ mechanical secondaries #4781
· Weiand “Stealth” aluminum dual plane intake (minor gasket matched)
· 1” carb spacer
· HEI distributor
· Milodon 5qt oil pan
· Milodon HV oil pump
· Comp Cams timing chain
· Hooker “SuperComps” w/ 2” primaries > 3.5” collectors
· 2.5” exhaust w/ Flowmaster 40 series exiting before rear tires
 
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Jim,

Looks like you are having fun with the DeskTopDyno!

BTW, Brett's heads are fully ported and have seen over 600 dyno horses..

The CHP mag cylinder head flow database is down but wonder if you could compare two cams for my low-buck 454....
The engine will be a 463" +.040 454
4.00 stroke stock crank
6.135" stock length rods
for the sake of argument 10.20:1 cr
#063 heads closed chamber, stock valves, pocket port and 3-angle VJ
RPM intake
750 Holley 3310 with lotsa upgrades

cam #1
GMPP/Crane/Summit 1302 hyd flat tappet
.540/.540" 228/238 deg dur@.050 wide 114 LSA

cam #2
Crane hyd flat tappet
.544/.544" 228/228 deg dur @ .050" 112 LSA

Thanks,

George
 
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Jim,

Cam is on 110 lsa, I figure that the compression should be around 10.2-1.

Those are actually really good numbers on the first run. Driving a stroked big block with around 575 hp and 550 tq (streetable) will be a tire burner and Im all for that.
 
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since we are at it, lets see what mine will do :D pretty much stock

454 + .30 = 468
049 oval pocket ported 2.19/1.88 manley valves
4.00 scat steel 4340 crank
stock rods
SRP/JE pistons forged 14.00cc
9 . 7 . 1 comp
Performer RPM Air Gap oval port match with heads
holley SA 770cfm
comp cam pro magnum rockers
60204 voodoo cam and lifters
heddman full length street headers 1 3/4 pr 3" coll


Thanks Jim :thumbsup:
 
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heads are 110cc by the way :D
 
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Jim_D said:
I'm at work right now and can get these done tonight or in the morning.
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Jim, looks like you have your work cut out for you. I plan on saving mine though and putting it in my "El Camino" binder of information. I really do appreciate it. :beers:
 
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justkyle said:
Jim,

Cam is on 110 lsa, I figure that the compression should be around 10.2-1.

Those are actually really good numbers on the first run. Driving a stroked big block with around 575 hp and 550 tq (streetable) will be a tire burner and Im all for that.
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Here are the revised numbers. I assume it is a solid cam with that much lift.
Remember guys, this program is only as good as the information inputted. The less info the less accurate it is.

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Brettd85 said:
Hey Jim, Those are awesome numbers, too bad you dont drive it on the street, would be a blast. Only if you have nothing better to do :D, here is my combo as well:

468 C.I. Buildup

· Mark IV 4-bolt 454 Bored 60 thous over #3999289 casting w/ ARP main bolts
· KB207 25.5cc domed pistons
· GM “truck” thumb rods w/ ARP bolts
· GM steel crank, forged, cross drilled, 5140 steel #3963521 casting
· GM Heads 69-84 oval, open, '69 396/265hp, 366T, 427T, 112cc chamber #3933148 casting w/ ARP bolts
· Larger 2.19”/1.88” Dynagear Valves
· Bowls Blended and chambers opened to ~118cc
· Full port job
· Compression ~10.3:1
· ARP rocker studs
· Moroso 3/8” chrome moly pushrods
· Hi-Tech valve springs
· Comp Cams “Magnum” roller tip rocker arms
· Lunati Voodoo #60204 installed straight up
· Advertised Duration IN/EX: 276/284
· Duration @ .050 IN/EX: 233/241
· Gross Valve Lift IN/EX: .554"/.572"
· LSA / ICL: 110/106
· Holley 850 CFM double pumper w/ mechanical secondaries #4781
· Weiand “Stealth” aluminum dual plane intake (minor gasket matched)
· 1” carb spacer
· HEI distributor
· Milodon 5qt oil pan
· Milodon HV oil pump
· Comp Cams timing chain
· Hooker “SuperComps” w/ 2” primaries > 3.5” collectors
· 2.5” exhaust w/ Flowmaster 40 series exiting before rear tires
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Took some guesses on some things. Looks like a torque monster to me.... :D

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Discussion starter · #18 ·
kettbo said:
Jim,

Looks like you are having fun with the DeskTopDyno!

BTW, Brett's heads are fully ported and have seen over 600 dyno horses..

The CHP mag cylinder head flow database is down but wonder if you could compare two cams for my low-buck 454....
The engine will be a 463" +.040 454
4.00 stroke stock crank
6.135" stock length rods
for the sake of argument 10.20:1 cr
#063 heads closed chamber, stock valves, pocket port and 3-angle VJ
RPM intake
750 Holley 3310 with lotsa upgrades

cam #1
GMPP/Crane/Summit 1302 hyd flat tappet
.540/.540" 228/238 deg dur@.050 wide 114 LSA

cam #2
Crane hyd flat tappet
.544/.544" 228/228 deg dur @ .050" 112 LSA

Thanks,

George
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Cam #1

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Cam #2


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Discussion starter · #19 ·
mad70ss said:
since we are at it, lets see what mine will do :D pretty much stock

454 + .30 = 468
049 oval pocket ported 2.19/1.88 manley valves
4.00 scat steel 4340 crank
stock rods
SRP/JE pistons forged 14.00cc
9 . 7 . 1 comp
Performer RPM Air Gap oval port match with heads
holley SA 770cfm
comp cam pro magnum rockers
60204 voodoo cam and lifters
heddman full length street headers 1 3/4 pr 3" coll


Thanks Jim :thumbsup:
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I need lift and duration. I am an old Mopar guy and these Voodoo cams are new to me.
 
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Jim,

I appreciate you inputting the data from both cams and doing the graphs.
Without overlaying the plots, they look very, very close!
As expected, the somewhat larger ext duration of the GMPP Summit cam moves the torque curve to the right and the split profile makes for a flatter crest of the HP curve. Nice to see it plotted out!:thumbsup:
both are in the 450 horse/500 ft lbs range

could you do another run, :boring: my engine with the larger Summit K1303 cam
Guess you could call it "cam #3"
238/248* .540/.540" 114* LSA cam?
Same lift and LSA as the other Summit cam #1302....
I'm guessing the peak torque moves 500 rpm to the right, horses should jump to over 475 as HP is a mathematical relationship to torque

Ya know, in the DDD, this could be close to Brett's engine.....

Just for fun, could you upload the GMPP 454HO numbers?
Ahsom69 Ben has one in his 68 Elky, my (future) engine is a low-buck counterpoint to his crate monster, now v low 13s, 08 she'll be 12.8 no issue easily

454 4.25x 4.0
8.75:1 list CR
HR cam .510/.540" 211/230* deg dur@.050 112 LSA
rect port open chamber 2.19/1.88
GM highrise, 770 Holley SA
Rated at 425 hp @ 5250 rpm and 500 ft lbs @ 3250 rpm
I'd like to see what the DDD comes up with....

Side thought:
I called on some parts off Craigslist this AM. Seller has an Elky, hardtop, and ragtop, all SS, all 70-72, hope to get out there and look at some interior parts. I'm trying to sway him to the dark side of T-C.
 
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