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I am planning on buying one during the next year, to use as an everyday streetmachine.:hurray:

To begin with I need the overall length of the body, so I know if it will fit in my current (short) garage space?:confused:

What years had standard or optional front disk brakes?

Were 6 and 9 passenger versions available, and if so can one version be converted to the other.

The body width, and additional room for the drivers door to reach its stop?

What are the most problematic places to look for rust on the frame and the body?

What rust inhibitor do you recommend for the body and frame? (I intend to drive this car everywhere, just as I do with my old Corvette)
 
I too have been looking for a Chevelle wagon to replace my 72 El Camino as an on/off daily driver. Its not easy finding one in my are in good shape. The 68-72 wagons are the same length and width as the El Camino's. I think my Elco is about 17' from bumper to bumper??They both use the same frames. The years to watch out for as far as rusted frames go are the 64-67's. Not many issues with the 68-72's.
Good luck!!
 
the older ones are roughly a foot shorter then the 70-72's ....... its all in that nose :)
I just measured a 68 at 17 ft from rear bumper against wall to the tip of its front bumper & I don't believe you can wash them enough to make em shrink ;)
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
So what I have is:

68kenmo measured a a 68 at 17 feet
L7870cortez thinks a 69 is 16 feet
a 71 for sale in NC owner measured 201 inches = 16feet 9 inches

Since kenmo thinks pre70 wagons are about a foot shorter,
is there a 2door and 4door version length that will account for the differences?
 
You're getting some mis-information.

The 68-72 Wagon and El Camino do not use the same frame. They are the same length, but the El Camino frame is boxed and uses a shorter crossmember (just like the convertible). The wagon frame is not boxed.

The lengths and widths are as follows.
1964
L=198.8"
W=74.6"
doors open W=133.9"
1965
L=201.4"
W=74.6"
doors open W=134.2"
1966
L=199.9"
W=75.0"
doors open W=134.7"
1967
L=199.9"
W=75.0"
doors open W=134.7"
1968
L=207.1"
W=75.7"
1969
L=207.9"
W=76.0
1970
L=206.5"
W=75.4
1971
L=206.8"
W=75.4"
1972 L=206.8"

All 1968-72 measure:
front doors open W=132.3"
rear doors open W=134.2"

As far as rust goes, I could only advise you as to the areas that are prone on the 68-72 models.
The rear gate down low in the middle and along the bottom edge.
All along the base of the rear side windows.
The spare tire well, mainly at the bottom.
And along with all of our Chevelles, they rust in the front fenders near the rear, down low.
Also pay close attention to the areas all around the windshield. Especially at the base.

If you find a car that was used in an area where they salt the roads or has a lot of wet weather, you can find rust on the front and rear floorboards as well as the rear quarter panels wheelwells.

The 68-72 frames are prone to rust out near the lowest steering box bolt.

Be aware that with any 64-72, it can be rusted anywhere. In areas of the country where cars rust heavily, these cars can be like swiss cheese by now.

On 68-72's, I suppose you could convert a 2 seat to a 3 seat, but it would be a fair amount of work and require some welding. I doubt it would be worthwhile, unless you have small kids who like to ride backwards. IMO, the storage compartment is far more usefull.

Don't even think about converting a rear single action gate to a dual action gate. You'd need to replace parts of the rear structure. You can't just bolt on a dual action gate to a single action gate car. No go. Also, be aware that the dual action gate wasn't available in 1968. 1969 is the first year.

Disc brakes were optional on all 1968-72. 1968 is somewhat of a bastard year as the calipers are prone to leaking and problematic. The 1969-up single piston caliper design is better. Odds are you won't find a 68 with disc brakes anyway, as they are somewhat rare. And not all 69-72 came with disc brakes.

I lucked out 20 years ago and found a 69 Concours that was well optioned. PS, PDB, AC and a power DAT.(dual action tailgate). It was originally a 350, 2bbl, TH350 and 10 bolt. It now has a 396, TH400 and 12 bolt. Along with tons of other goodies such as a factory rear sway bar with boxed control arms, large front sway bar, dual exhaust. I've replaced the bench seat with factory bucket seats and future plans are for a console, tilt and power windows. I have the console and the tilt column but as still looking for the power window setup.

Good luck with your search.
Good solid original wagons are getting very hard to find.
 
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Thank you Pete !!!;)

ps........I wonder if Dave saw this???
yes I have, and I have been calling about wagon ads - and asking owners to measure the wagons for sale. Some of the dimensions match, but even the 1966 Chevrolet Chassis Service manual lists the length at 201.4 inches, which means the vehicles GM measured varied by a little (tolerances collect) or the person getting the data was in a hurry.

It's all close enough for me. The Chevelles are shorter than Buick Sportwagons or Olds Vista Cruisers, and IMO they look better too.

Since the automatic mail notification at this site doesn't seem to get to my computer, if any of you see a wagon with a solid body in need of a good home, please email me at magicv8 at inbox.com
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
Thanks to all for for the info.

I am still looking. Most of the wagons I see for sale on the web are more than an 18 hour round trip from my house to go and check the body. I do have friends in AR and TX who I coud ask to check one within a few hours of their house, but otherwise I am settled on the search taking a while. I am patient. Ask my son-in-law who had me searching for a GTO for a couple of years. We finally found one in IL that was a 1 owner CA car (less engine) for $4500. Patience pays.

If any of you see one for sale, I'm at magicv8 at inbox.com
 
OK not all 70 - 72 V8 wagons got standard disc brakes, the Nomad wagons did not. All other 70 - 72 V8 wagons got disc brakes as standard equipment. Just take a look at UPC 5 in a 70, 71 or 72 assembly manual there you will find that disc brakes are standard on models 13436, 13636, 13646, and 13800. 13800 includes Concours Estate wagons and Monte Carlo. In 68 and 69 discs were optional.
 
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I'd like to find a wagon without rust holes or rust hole bondo on the welded body panels and the frame. I have had welder's burn on my eyes 3 times in my life, and I have given up welding.

After that it's easy to add things on to the car from my wish list: Air Conditioning, disk brakes, third row seat, engine that runs if the car is expensive or not local to IL and IA.

My Equinox has 70k miles now, and I put about 25k to 30k a year on it, so I have a couple of years to get a $2k to $5k (plus parts and labor) project car up and running. If I don't find a fun project in a year or so, I will spend the additional $10k to $20k that it takes to buy a restored/cared-for wagon.

I'm not in a hurry. I have a son-in-law with a 69 GTO that needs to have the body put back on and then have a drivetrain installed. The fact that he lives 9 hours away in AR makes the GTO project go slowly, and If I start my wagon project now, it will go nowhere - since I am currently remodling the kitchen in my 68 year old house and I have a 66 Corvette that needs some attention before the start of the 2008 Hot Rod Magazine Power Tour.

I'm not bragging here - just saying I have started looking for the basis of a project to replace my Equinox in the midst of my normally overbooked life. You can see the Corvette and the GTO here: http://www.corvetteforum.net/classics/magicmachine
 
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