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#22 ·
I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BELIEVE you guys' opposition to cheating!!! If you're not cheating, you're not racing!!!!!!!!!!! :noway:
DUH :confused:
RACING---------is doing everything you can to get to the front at finish time!
 
#23 ·
I agree Tom! I used to race street stock and if you don't cheat a little you might as well stay home because you will spend every week chasing the field! Just you have to be a little more descrete than the Hendrick teams were. They were just pushing the envelope and found that it didn't work, this time that is!:D I do have to question why they didn't try it with the less productive teams first just in case they got busted!:confused:
 
#24 ·
There is a long history of creative interpretation of the rules ...( CHEATING).. in NASCAR.. ....Read Smokeys' books ;)
The only way to get around it would be to have the cars provided and prepped by Nascar .. :clonk:
Much like the IROC series used to be.
 
#25 ·
I can't believe anyone condoning cheating and dishonesty in any scope. I guess it's OK to speed through school zones because you overslept and need to get to work on time, park in handicap only spaces so you don't have to walk so far to the door, and other bending or flat out circumvention of any rules as long as you don't get caught. Where has integrity* gone? :sad:


*Integrity:
If you have it, it doesn't matter...if you don't have it, it doesn't matter.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
Im with Dale. It seems some people have no morals or intergrity. Everyone knows cheating is part of it, and a lot of people are cheating because that guy is cheating. It doesnt make it right, and it doesnt mean you should do it. I cant see winning having any meaning or credit if its done by cheating.

Now im all for being inovative and playing in the gray areas. If the rules are pretty vague and leave an opening to try something new to give an edge then thats fine. For example in F1 the FIA have measure points on where they find how much a wing a flex, but a team can find ways to allow for more flex given a different angle of attack or at a higher variable rate of speed. Thats not cheating because its finding loop holes in the rule book. But things like going against Nascar's rules (verbal or written), or doing what Harvick did and faking a 22 gallon fuel tank for qual when it really only had enough fuel to make a qual run. Thats outright cheating, and there should be race bans for it.
 
#27 ·
Dale McIntosh said:
I can't believe anyone condoning cheating and dishonesty in any scope. I guess it's OK to speed through school zones because you overslept and need to get to work on time, park in handicap only spaces so you don't have to walk so far to the door, and other bending or flat out circumvention of any rules as long as you don't get caught. Where has integrity* gone? :sad:


*Integrity:
If you have it, it doesn't matter...if you don't have it, it doesn't matter.
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C'mon Dale, get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We're not talking about school zones and handicap parking spaces, we're talking about hard core, racing. And we're not talking about racing that originated with gentlemen, we're talking about racing with a back woods, grass roots background! Ya, absolutely, I DO condone cheating here and I'm sick of NASCAR's stupid vascilating on the rules whenever it suits something or someone!
Let 'um build and drive the cars to win. Also, when tempers flare, let 'um duke it out, man-to-man. As I have said in the past, DO THE NASCAR GUYS REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE THAT A FEW PUNCHES BETWEEN COMPETITORS IS GOING TO CAUSE A GREATER INJURY THAN PLOWING INTO ANOTHER CAR, A WALL OR CRASHING A HELICOPTER?????????????????
JESUS, WAKE UP GUYS!
NASCAR USED TO BE AN ENJOYABLE RACING EVENT
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
DZAUTO, you'd find it more enjoyable to allow Jeff and Jimmy to keep their unfair cheating cars nad win the races because they cant do it fairly? Interesting. Nascar has been allowing it anyways, 3 time cheater Jimmy Johnson will race on without penalty.
 
#29 ·
well, if the templates fit, they weren't cheating. they were looking for every advantage to be found between the lines.. that's called innovation- not cheating- and it's no different than the F1 example a couple of posts ago.
unless NASCAR is going to hand out spec race cars at every track, or make more templates, then this should be good to go.
one must keep in mind that i can't stand Gordon or his little clone, but they didn't cheat. the found a loophole in the rules and tried to exploit it. that's what winners do.
 
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#30 ·
novaderrik said:
well, if the templates fit, they weren't cheating. they were looking for every advantage to be found between the lines.. that's called innovation- not cheating- and it's no different than the F1 example a couple of posts ago.
unless NASCAR is going to hand out spec race cars at every track, or make more templates, then this should be good to go.
one must keep in mind that i can't stand Gordon or his little clone, but they didn't cheat. the found a loophole in the rules and tried to exploit it. that's what winners do.
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Holy cow, this reply is almost word for word the same reply I had typed out but got rid of. Thank you:beers:

Jeff
 
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#31 ·
If one person (or team) cheats (or innovates), and the car goes a little faster, then that will motivate someone else to "innovate" to make their car go faster. THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP RACING---------------------FIGURING OUT HOW TO MAKE YOUR CAR GO FASTER THAN THE OTHER GUY'S CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY FUNDAMENTAL RACING TECHNOLOGY!!!

Back in the VERY early 70s, my 2 cousins and myself drag raced a 55 Chevy 2dr post in Modified Production. We did everything we could to be competitive. And when we had the car setup to beat the other guy and went to the strip the next week, he had done something additional to his car and beat us again. Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo, each week we "innovated", and still couldn't win. Winning requires being competitive, being competitive requires being "innovative" enough to beat the other guy. If you want to spell innovative c-h-e-a-t-i-n-g, then fine, spell it that way.
Again, let 'um build the cars and drive 'um toward the finish line and let God sort it out.

Oh ya, REMOVE THE DAMN RESTRICTOR PLATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#32 ·
I do agree though. Nascar is WAY too regulated...

I think they should be allowed to basically develop their own cars, front to back, but it must meet certain crash testing requirements.. Regulate fuel cell size, and important aspects, like tires, fuel amount, safety requirements, etc.

But let teams build their own damn cars, not NASCAR's cars..

JMHO,
Todd
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
Well Juan was impressive today. From way back in 32nd, comes up to win. I was very disappointed with his qualifying, and he admitted to just choking, and even said that anything less than a win is a failure. Well he definitly didnt fail today. Well done.
 
#34 ·
LateNight72 said:
I do agree though. Nascar is WAY too regulated...

I think they should be allowed to basically develop their own cars, front to back.

let teams build their own damn cars, not NASCAR's cars..

JMHO,
Todd
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Oh, You mean like in the old days. :D

LK
 
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#35 ·
I think at the end when his crewchief was saying on the radio they were short on fuel that it was a brilliant ruse designed to keep Harvick and others from trying to charge to the front as the conserved and waited for Montoya to run out! He played a little rough at times but the others let him know it was not the thing to do but he does seem to be calming down a bit. I just hope the win doesn't make him so hungry for another win he starts doing stupid things on the track. But with finally leading a lap and one being the one that gets him his first win the monkey is off his back and he can settle in and not be so desparate from now on!:thumbsup:
Thinking about it a lot of teams that claimed to be short on gas ended up not. I know they are better at math than that!;)
 
#36 ·
i wanted to watch the race today, but it was on cable..
it's not fair to us poor folk that aint got no cable or satellite tv going on.
 
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#38 ·
-SS454- said:
Well Juan was impressive today. From way back in 32nd, comes up to win. I was very disappointed with his qualifying, and he admitted to just choking, and even said that anything less than a win is a failure. Well he definitly didnt fail today. Well done.
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I guess the win doesnt count though because he won with fuel strategy ;):confused:
 
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#39 ·
I find this the hostility about his issue a little strange.

Imagine running your NHRA stocker, and the officials come over and check your carb, and find you don't have the jets that came in it and toss you. It's never been an issue before, therefore how can it suddenly be cheating.
The same with the fenders. At issue for many years has been: Does it meet the template! Suddenly, out of the blue, without any communication, it becomes an issue worthy of fines, suspensions, points lost for doing what NASCAR has allowed for years.

I can't see this as "cheating", no matter what team did it.
 
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#40 ·
Someone mentioned going to a spec. car,the COT is a spec. car for the most part.Pretty decent race today,hate seeing fuel mileage be the determining factor,but it happens.
 
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