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I'm ready to install a new windshield in my 68. All of the windshield frame is free from old residue. I have all the clips ready. I want to use the original type black adhesive tape. I've seen too many of those jobs where the glass companies use the black RTV and have a mess of it squeezing out. I know I will need someone to help me set it into place. But then what do you do? Any 'special' pre-installation steps? What do you do after it's in place?

Any thoughts or comments?

Thanks in advance.

[This message has been edited by Paul Lower SoCal (edited 02-15-2002).]
 
There's really not much to it. A couple of tips though: When you get ready to apply the ribbon sealer, start in one of the lower corners, and slightly overlap the ends of the sealer when you get back around to where you started. Use the 5/16" sealer instead of the 3/8", or you will have one hell of a time trying to get the trim snapped back on, and may not be able to get it on at all. Ask me how I know this! DEFINATELY have someone help you set the windshield in place. After it's in place, go around all the edges and press it down to make sure you have a good seal all the way around. Good Luck!

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Rob F.
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Paul, I have done many of them with good success. Let me say that there are a few different ideas on things, these have worked very well for me. This instruction is starting after any rust repair, primer/paint. That would require MUCH more instructions. I'm assuming from your post you are past that.

First off get some 3M (or there are other brands) "pinch weld primer." It comes in a little 1/4 pint or so sized can and has a brush attached to the underside of the lid.

Before you install the clips be sure they are correct!!! You should start with either new ones or VERY nice old ones. When they are installed the top of the clip should be just a hair below the top of the pinchweld or body surface. I also recommend that you trial fit a piece of the molding to see if it fits correctly. This is time very sell spent. If you find later that the clips are wrong, you will REALLY wish you did this trial fit. After you install the clips brush the pinchweld primer on the bottom of the pinchweld where the butyl tape is going to lay. Brush up around the clips good. The paint gets scratched when you slip the clips on to the studs and this primer will help protect it.

Next you want to set the window in the hole and find what rubber setting blocks you want to use. There are a few that come with the butyl tape kit and you set them different ways to make them higher or lower. Be sure that the window fits evenly all the way around. Run a piece of masking tape from on the glass out onto the body on the sides and the center of the top and bottom. Really only one should be needed but it helps to have more so you helper can see one well too. These tapes are then cut on the edge of the glass so you can remove the window again. Just leave the tape on the window and the body for alignment purposes.

Be sure the window is clean and free of residue of any kind. With it lying on its back, put the butyl tape on the edge of the glass without hanging off. Roll it out and as you go you can pull the paper off it so that way when you come to a corner you can get around it. If the paper is on, you can't get around the corner. But you want the paper on as you are going down the tops and sides to help you get it straight and so you don't touch it. At the point where they meet, run one next to the other and at the point they pass, cut it with a NEW razor blade. Then DON'T touch the tape, using the razor push it, blending it together. Then with your helper set the glass in using the masking tape as a guide. DON'T LET IT TOUCH till you have it where you want it. YOU WON'T HAVE A SECOND CHANCE the butyl tape sticks RIGHT NOW and will not let go. If you have the glass a little over or up or down too much you can move it a LITTLE after the glass is lying in. Before you push on the top of the glass, using a plastic setting tool or even a piece of wood you can wedge it into the pinch weld channel and pry the window over, VERY carefully. At this time it is best to get it warm. If you can get it in the sun and warm up the glass and butyl tape and push on the top of the glass to get a good seal all the way around.

Now comes the real important part, sealing. First let me say that I have done many windows and used NO sealer what so ever. The Butyl tape alone should be sealing enough. But as an added "safety net" I do the following.

I take a plastic "bondo" spreader and cut it to about a half inch in width. I also round the corners with the razor nice and clean. Using a high quality urethane sealant I put a little strip right on the side of the glass edge or on the butyl tape it's self. Using the spreader I spread it down the side of the glass over the butyl tape to the bottom of the pinch weld, forming a seal from the top to the bottom vertically. DO NOT PUT THE SEALER ALL OVER THE CLIPS OR FILL THE CHANNEL this is a DEATH sentence to you job.

If you do this and you and see the seal has been made from the top edge of the glass down to the bottom, you know it will never leak. When water gets in there, it will be able to evaporate. If you fill the channel with sealant, the water gets in and can't get out!

You now can put the mouldings on and off at your leisure. If your moulding is giving you trouble and not clicking into place on the clip. You can take a rubber squeegee and place it on top of the moulding and then a small block of wood and tap; JUST tap lightly on top and you can get even the most stubborn moulding on. But if you trial fit them and didn't put sealant all over them this shouldn't be needed.

And Yes the 5/16" taoe is the one to use.

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"

[This message has been edited by MARTINSR (edited 02-15-2002).]
 
Paul. It is a wonder how much Martin knows and how well he can describe it. (You must read his panel alignment "manual" too.)

Martin, I really don't want to sound like a wise guy, but if I may I would like to add one pointer I seem to be missing in your description.

Because I had repaired the channels and the replacement windshield was a lot (40%) thinner than the old windshield I needed some guideline for the "height" of the glass in order to have the mouldings fit right.

This is where Martin says to use the 5/16" tape. That would not have worked for me.

I found that the outer surface of the glass should be flush with the outer side of the round heads of the pinchwelds.

Rob
 
Rob, if the glass is up that high, there would be no room left for the mouldigs. The mouldigs should be flush or just a tad above the top of the suraounding body area.

I havn't did one of thse windows on an old "A" body in a number of years.

But I just looked at my daily driver '65 Skylark and that is the way it is.

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
 
Rob, I am sorry, you must have came home and had a beer before you typed that post!
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I can't understand what you are saying
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There are many different clips. Some are even kind of universal where they have a slot that fits over the stud and as you slide it on it goes till it hits the bottom of the pinch weld.

Now I havn't did one of these in a few years so I am going from memory.
The clip has sort of a fish hook top on it. It grabs the edge of the moulding to hold it on. The very top of this clip goes up and just about touches the inside top of the moulding. So for the moulding to sit flush with the top edge of the body and look nice and slick, the clip should be right up shy of the top of the channel.

This is hard to explain, if it doesnt make sense, I will do a drawing.

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
 
I've used the 5/16" tape with a thinner replacement glass, and the moldings were too far from the glass. I had to take it back out and install a 3/8" tape to raise it up to the moldings. This was a PPG glass, but it was considerably thinner than the original.

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Martin. I am very sorry, I should have been more precise. The answer you gave is clear to me (I am sober now) and that is part of my point really.

The top of the clip goes flush with the body. On this we agree. The pinch weld the clip hooks on to, is (for the windshield) positioned appr. 1/2 the height of the clip. What I meant was that the outer surface of the glass should be nearly flush with the head of this pinch weld.

Like DanD I have used PPG replacement glass and this one is really a lot thinner and thus the lower tape will not let the molding sit right on the windshield.

Rob
 
Wow, that I have not seen. It makes sense, the glass in newer cars is much thinner, so the replacemnt glass has gotten thinner too. That is too bad, unless you ar building a drag car of course then the lighter glass would be good
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I'll make a note of that, thanks

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1965 Buick Gran Sport Convertible
1965 Buick Skylark H/T
"Fan of most anything that moves human beings"
 
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