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#41 ·
70SSOBSESSION said:
Lol..Mike has been on Yellowbullet forever.
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Sir if this is Mike that I was told it was, he has not been over on that site for 5+ yrs, so no lol.

I do not know the reasoning why but was told there was something about a red nova and a race. There was a few cars that sat like his that wanted to race him and it never happened. That is just what i am told as i am not on Yellowbullet.

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VORTECPRO said:
On our big engines (496) (505) we run a 2.32 first gear in our trans. Garretts 1.25 467 was a 2.52 first gear. I'm not for the big wheelies, but with no wheelie bar its hard on a small tire. Its not just the 60 foot its the 330 and I don't like a 4.05 330 with a 108 MPH, I'd be looking for low 3.9s @ 108. Another thing I will mention, first the car was 3400 pounds, then it was 3425, now its 3450-3475 I do believe you showed 4 corner scale weight in a previous post I will look for that and add a vacuum pump in there for good measure. Keep in mind my sons Camaro shows dyno HP going down the track 491 HP @ 1000 feet DA, were talking about a 9.8 comp .435 hyd flat tappet cam 355 with untouched Vortec production heads, I feel pretty good about his drive line combination, 1.36 60 foot @ 10.60s with a worn trans. This glide thing is were we disagree, if the glide was faster it would be in my stocker and everyone else's, same with your insane bias tire ideas, like I've said before we have two totally different approaches, just remember my approach has been 9.29 @ 142.29 @ 3600 pounds 115.8 660 in 615 + Da 10.8 comp GM oval port 496, you show that kind of power, your going to get a "welcome to the club" BTW that's 869 HP in the 660 figured exactly the same I figured you making 667 HP above.
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I don't think you're critically reading what I write. Try again, the point I'm making is you're running 1/8 mile now. There is no disagreement you're now running 1/8 mile, primarily at Extreme in Texas correct?

Also, the Third Gen Camaro is a street car in the process of being converted from a track car. We're in the process of continuing to add items on the car to make it more street-able, including another 5 gallon fuel cell from when it was originally weighed. That's why I emphasized its weight on the track is dependent on how much fuel I run on it. I'm starting to believe you don't read what I write. Try reading what I write, we'll be able to better come to rational conclusions on drag racing performance, by the time this all shakes out.
 
Discussion starter · #43 · (Edited)
Because of the flat torque (yellow line) one could justify running a 3800 converter on the street with this combo. With the wheel speed it'll have on the street (tire spin), it'll accelerate decent light to light at wide open throttle in getting up into the meat & potatoes of the combo around 7000 rpm.

On the drag strip according to the same yellow line (Torque), any stall below 6200-6400 will spell a higher moment of inertia, or in other words a slower accelerating engine going down track.

I wouldn't put much stock in anything from our first trip to the track with this combo, especially the mph. Two reasons 1. Sunshine is a couple mph lower from Bradenton-Orlando 2. Higher than optimal moment of inertia 5500 converter.

We've got a 6.30 time slip first time out leaving 3200 rpm's. Listen on the video, sounds like a pig going down track. Without knowing it ran 6.30, I'd guess from how it sounds 6.60. Trust me I'll show how these powerglides work with the right converter / gearing on the drag strip 1/8 mile. It won't take long, relax.

We'll be leaving 4600-4800 with a 6400 converter, it'll sound and look like a different animal. Anyone who understands these fundamentals for drag racing performance, can comprehend.

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VORTECPRO said:
According to that sheet, I would have a converter that flashed 6400 RPM or close, shift out of low @ 71 0r 72 and 75 into high gear.
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1/8 mile with a 4.10 gear, where on the track will the shift to high gear at 7500 rpm, occur 1/8 mile?

If the converter slips 4% based on a 5.74 final gear 4.10 x 1.40, 112 mph you'll be crossing the finish line stripe 1/8 mile, when you put it in high gear. 30" diameter tire zero growth-radial tire.

Have you ever figured for torque converter slip at the top of second gear, just before a shift to high gear, when running a 4.10 ring & pinion?
 
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Also something on DRR about hitting a cone IIRC.
Not on good terms with Ed B, so that's one good thing he has going for him LOL
 
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This thing is terrible (sarcasm), moved 3 thousandths to the 60 ft in 7 trips down the track lol.. wow!. I must be getting old I forgot all about that deal.

Guy races in Pennsylvania I believe, he sent me his data the race before this one text messages, and we tweaked the rear shocks and methanol carb before this race if I'm remembering correctly, been awhile.

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Discussion starter · #50 · (Edited)
Much better, the wheel base was shorter on the left side which explains why the car steered left leaving anywhere above 3200 rpm's. Double adjustable front struts will be here Wednesday.

I took the negative preload out of the sway bar, it nearly evened out the front corner weights, battery is on the left side. I may move it over to the middle of the car. We'll see how it acts on test drives tomorrow.

Look'n good, no set backs, everything is adding up. This is gonna be a killer lil street cruiser when complete, with a 1.20's 60 ft time to boot.

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WHT/73 said:
Wow that’s 100lbs lighter then my sbc nova!
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Well hell, we need to hire you as driver. That means you're 75 lbs lighter than I am.

These Third Gens are relatively light. No engine & transmission, it's lighter than my Nova no engine & transmission. I think this car weighed 3050 with a factory Chevrolet block 406 sbc, w/ 250 lb driver in the seat. I think, it might have been 3100, it's been 20 years. That's about right ain't it? 250, 300 lb difference small block to big block?
 
#53 ·
Ripper/Wrench said:
Well hell, we need to hire you as driver. That means you're 75 lbs lighter than I am.

These Third Gens are relatively light. No engine & transmission, it's lighter than my Nova no engine & transmission. I think this car weighed 3050 with a factory Chevrolet block 406 sbc, w/ 250 lb driver in the seat. I think, it might have been 3100, it's been 20 years. That's about right ain't it? 250, 300 lb difference small block to big block?
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About 110 lb difference if both are iron.
 
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bradley67 said:
About 110 lb difference if both are iron.
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It's been 20 years since we had a sbc in the Third Gen. I do remember a 250 lb difference when I put the BBC in the Third Gen. It was a steel headed BBC 468 though.

Like last night scaling the Third Gen with nobody to put in the seat. 3200 lbs is the number I'll recall, most likely.

If you're going from an aluminum headed sbc to a steel headed BBC, or even a steel Merlin headed BBC, it changes differences in weight in comparison. Aftermarket blocks are 50 lbs heavier.

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WHT/73 said:
My nova was 3315 without me.
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Makes sense, that's with a sbc. Like I said this Third Gen Camaro is lighter than my Nova.

Third Gen definitely has a better stance now, with the rearend crooked and the negative preload it needed to go straight on the drag strip leaving 3200 rpms, it was lurching on the passenger side front.

We'll be able to crank up the leave rpm now with our new corner weights.

This is the old corner weights.

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New corner weights

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Discussion starter · #57 · (Edited)
Nice lil street cruiser. Lil 252 260 street solid roller camshaft.

Oil I drained out of this for an oil change looked excellent with 700 miles on it. Steve is gonna re-use the oil in one of his work trucks. Everything looks and sounds primo. Idles and runs down the road nice and clean, perfect street solid roller camshaft I think.

I'm super happy with it.

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1968 hot rod said:
Left looks heavy by 60# and right is light bye 60#.
If it was a ladder bar car at that power level.
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BMR torque Arm, recently revalved d/a Vari-Shocks on rear. I made a rip on Seminole Blvd from a 30 mph roll yesterday with the new corner weights, new double adjustable front struts. The back end went right, spun hard to high gear and lost momentum, I lifted. Pulled over and tightend rebound 2 clicks drivers side front, tightened compression 2 clicks passenger side front. Ripped it again on Seminole Blvd from a 30 mph roll, straight as an arrow accelerating hard past the shift to high gear, black tracks in the rear view mirror.

Told Steve we have some adjustment/options now. D/A struts work good.

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Third Gen at the 2023 50th annual Turkey Rod Runs Daytona Beach. Steve called, sent this video and said the car is running primo, they're having a blast. Also said he and the lil lady will be in the infield of the Daytona Speedway, for the swap meet tomorrow.

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