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Jeff Swisher seems to know a good bit about TR's maybe he hasn't seen this thread yet though, I know nothing about TR's but do know I wouldn't waste my $ on the summit manifold, I'm surprised they even sell that thing
 
I wouldn't waste my $ on the summit manifold, I'm surprised they even sell that thing
Exactly! I'm not railing against tunnel rams in general, I'm railing against THAT tunnel ram. The reviews were horrible, too.
 
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Pretty Old Skool salty, but my old car ran around with 4.88s and a T-rammed 327. WHEELS UP!


PS, be careful about blanket comments on tunnel rams. Fab ones are for max effort 10K rpms kind of crap. yet STREET RAMS do exceptionally well, on the street.

No time slips on this one, but M20/4.88s, and a 327 with an LT1 mechanical cam. ZING! ZING!


PS THE ONLY T ram I would use is this one..... spend the $100 more reely, and use two 450s or even 600 VCs on it. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7110


ZING! ZING! :cool:
 

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Pretty Old Skool salty, but my old car ran around with 4.88s and a T-rammed 327. WHEELS UP!


PS, be careful about blanket comments on tunnel rams. Fab ones are for max effort 10K rpms kind of crap. yet STREET RAMS do exceptionally well, on the street.

No time slips on this one, but M20/4.88s, and a 327 with an LT1 mechanical cam. ZING! ZING!
Yes very true stick with a good brand street tunnel ram.
 
Great minds Steven, I did edit my post to include the ONLY T ram I would use. EDEL street ram......Well, unless it was a 10,500 rpm pro mod mill.
 
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Pretty Old Skool salty, but my old car ran around with 4.88s and a T-rammed 327. WHEELS UP!


PS, be careful about blanket comments on tunnel rams. Fab ones are for max effort 10K rpms kind of crap. yet STREET RAMS do exceptionally well, on the street.

No time slips on this one, but M20/4.88s, and a 327 with an LT1 mechanical cam. ZING! ZING!


PS THE ONLY T ram I would use is this one..... spend the $100 more reely, and use two 450s or even 600 VCs on it. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7110


ZING! ZING! <img src="http://www.chevelles.com/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" />
👍 So how many BBC’s did you put on the trailer w/that lii’ Chevelle ? 😁

I like the Pro Stock look of fab intake. The point about race only fab is well taken and might be why I can’t see RPM range for fab intake.

Add above issue to VS Holleys 👎🏻, w/choke horns 👎🏻, and no small Holleys in aluminum 👎🏻....too many negatives for me.

Might leave it alone.
 
Know what sucks. I was just at a estate sale. There was a sbc edelbrock street tunnel ram with 2 500 holleys with linkage and air cleaners. I knew I should of bought them. Weird how things work sometimes.
 
Pretty Old Skool salty, but my old car ran around with 4.88s and a T-rammed 327. WHEELS UP!


PS, be careful about blanket comments on tunnel rams. Fab ones are for max effort 10K rpms kind of crap. yet STREET RAMS do exceptionally well, on the street.

No time slips on this one, but M20/4.88s, and a 327 with an LT1 mechanical cam. ZING! ZING!


PS THE ONLY T ram I would use is this one..... spend the $100 more reely, and use two 450s or even 600 VCs on it. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-7110


ZING! ZING! :cool:
I think the one advantage of the tunnel ram is the photo above here. Look at all that nice cool air it can take in. The problem with the under hood normal dual plane or X style single 4 is it usually breathing in 140 or more degree air whereas the tunnel ram the air is like 70-80 degrees (assuming that is the outside temp). I did a test before I switched to a cowl induction set up and the air under the hood was like 60-70 degrees warmer than the normal outside air. You sit 5 minutes at a stop light the delta is probably worse with your fan blowing that nice warm radiator air right at it and the header air just rising up towards your carb. If every 10 degrees cooler is 1% more power that can add up.
 
Just got around to getting on the computer..been deer hunting and I am old school and do not have a cell phone.

Tall tunnel-rams are the way to go for added power over many single 4 barrel intakes.
Big Joe was working at or for edelbrock when they came out with the single 4 barrel tunnel-ram and he said it had the worst distribution of any intake ever tested and made 100 hp less than the dual 4 tunnel-ram.

I always went tall on the rams 10" or more.
I ran AFB or Edelbrock carbs and always will on my tunnel-rams.
Tried the 450's in the Holley brand and the thing was terrible and finicky out of the hole, once you got it wound up and it cleaned up it pulled ok but not near as much pull as the dual 1405 edelbrock 600's this was a 355" with 280H cam on a 106 LSA 230@ .050 and ported 993 heads.

I ran another dual 4 on a 350" with a 280H on a 110 LSA and same carbs.. picked up power everywhere VS my performer RPM intake which I tested with 3 different carbs.
Qjet and a 750 Edelbrock 1407 and a very much modified and epoxied 4779 Holley that flows.

I do not like the Holley carbs myself as my experience with them is long and you really need to tweak some things to really dial them in and I found for smallish or meduim size cams in the 350-427" engine size the little 1405's work excellent out of the box.

Of course set float levels correctly right off the bat.

smallish cams like 268H 218@ .050 for those not in the know to the meduim sized cams like the 292h 244@ .050.

Throttle response is stupid fast with a tall tunnelram and 2 of those carbs.

.060 over 396" BBC i built for a buddy 280H on a 108LSA 11:1 compression 210 psi cranking pressure strip dominator and 800 carb vs the tall ram with 2 1405's.
The 1405's on the ram had my buddies hands shaking after he got back from a test drive.. said it was ridiculous fast.
second gear from a roll and he tickled the throttle , blew the tires off and the shift light came on 7000 rpm before he knew what happened.
He said he was absolutely not ready for that.
that is in a 1966 chevy truck 4200lbs with driver and 3.08 gear.

That summit ram looks like junk. NO WAY the inner and outer runners will run even remotely close to each other.
Big fail.
If you fab a single 4 ram you need it tall and join all the runners like you see in a Dart single plane intake.
Long gradual runners that enter the cylinder head at the same angles.

Here is my 57 with a ram at the track beating up on my buddies 550wheel HP supercharged 2015 mustang.
I have 601 heads 1.84-1.50 valves Ported of course and a 280H cam 110 LSA cheap single point distributor that was not locked down tight and this pass was with 28 total timing.Yea distributor moved when i did my burnout. lost 10 degrees of timing.Ouch. still won the race though.


My buddies nova I built for him, with one of my old TR1YX 12" tall rams and some specs.
1978 Chevrolet Nova 2dr 1/4 mile Drag Racing timeslip specs 0-60 - DragTimes.com

If you go tunnel-ram go tall and dual 4's The Edelbrocks are stupid easy and you can have jetting all over the place with a tall ram and not hardly notice any difference.
I will say this though..I like to add an ink pen spring to the orange step up springs to get the power circuit to come in much quicker than you can with available stock springs from Edelbrock.

Notice I said From Edelbrock.. as many of the Stock Carter AFB original springs from the 1960's carbs were stiffer.

Abel racing has been on TV and my buddy Andrei owns it I tested an RPM intake and the same day I went home and installed my dual 4 RAM and went back and put the truck back on the rollers and made 53 more HP everywhere.. he could not believe it and kept asking what else I changed..I said well the single 4 i had an HEI and now I am running a single point distributor. Same timing curve.

Here is my 57 with dual 4 and single point autozone distributor point bounce at 7150-7200 rpm.
280H and small valve 601 heads 350".


I drive my stuff like that all the time. No loss of low end there and I have never seen loss of low end with a tall one.
 
Ok i think i can add some valuable information to this thread. I spoke to my guy as he was looking at the holley version of these tunnel rams for his 427. He has a friend who is a racer who is sponsored by holley. His friend said the small block seems to work well on some medium horsepower stuff in the 600 plus horsepower range. The big block one that he was looking at seems to be closer to a good single for intake. The small block uses less air so they said they work well and look good. I see a few slight differences in the intake between holley and summit ones. John wanted to run it with the sniper efi kit. Friend said the big block and sniper with 700 hp is just not what holley intended fot the big blocks.

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Who ever says a tunnel ram dont work on street cars never used one and is going by internet hear say. The right carbs on a tunnel ram will run normal and gain HP and torque. Most of the time you can gain 50 HP by just bolting one on.

Your Da_ right!
 
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-226400/

This is what I’m looking at. I also prefer look of 2-4’s. Currently use 750 HP Holley DP. Can 2 small Holleys be dialed back enough to run smooth on 480HP, 383, 4:11, Muncie ?

Anyone used this intake ? Will my MSD RTR 8360 fit ?

Thanks
I have ran tunnel rams and tuned for others on the street. One example my camaro with a bbc 454 had a dual plane eddy rpm intake and a 750 carb, went to a tunnel ram weiand with two 600 vs holleys and made more torque and hp, then went to two 750 carbs and did even better, then finally a home built 6-71 blower.

So I have personal experience plus others who know me and wanted me to tune their set ups plus 30 years of tinkering on hot rods. So I won't feed you no BS like so many on this board that have no idea what they are talking about. Tunnel rams increase torque don't take away, this has been proven many times over.

I wouldn't use that sheet metal intake, find a good used cast aluminum tunnel ram . Run dual 4, if you already know this is what you want to do, get a matched carb to the one you have and run both. the last 350 I worked with he did just that, got a tunnel ram of CL and two 750 carbs, he loves the set up, starts easy and runs great with no issues.

Most folks who venture out with tunnel rams don't run enough timing and are clueless about carb set up and never take the time to take care of either and then come on this board and bash tunnel rams on the street. Then there are others who never had any and repeat the same crap. Those folks should just shut up.

Find a matching carb and take the time to make both carbs the same and run each of them on your current ride, if they both work perfect now, they will work perfect once perched on top the tunnel ram. timing you will need lots of timing and will have to do some dist. work to shorten up the timing curve.


Now the one thing you will hear over and over from the morons, that you have to run a small carb, BS! that's the trouble. I bought into the crap on my first tunnel ram, 390, 450 stupid stupid stupid! Run some 600 and 750's and relieve yourself of some tuning pain. The small carbs cause so much issue with velocity speed it's beyond any wanna be hotrod and they had it wrong for so many decades say this crap, run small carbs.

I tried two 600 holleys and found issues with metering and opening rates and had to go to 750 carbs to slow down the velocity. You will hear crap from all kinds of people on this board how wrong I am but i know more than them and they can suck a big one. I'm telling you just match your current carb and find a cast alum. tunnel ram and you will be golden.

If you have question come back once you got it running. til then ignore these folks who try to tell you they don't work, will be a hassle, you have to run small carbs, bla bla bla, they are stupid and have no clue.

Yep the new improved me, so fed up with dumb people. Bring the hate
 
Jeff Swisher, are you a bracket racer ?

What did the TR replace when you picked up 53 HP, on what engine ?



No I am not a bracket racer. But I have raced hundreds of times against buddies and other people on test and tune night.
I like TNT or Grudge night much better..I am not out to make money I am out to go fast and quick enough to beat my friends.
If they beat me I love it. I have built them cars and built their engines and transmissions and rearends.. everything!! and I want them to go as fast as they can afford.


If they beat me I will just tweak my stuff and beat them back.. and it is on.


The Tunnel-ram replaced an Edelbrock Performer RPM with 1" spacer and a 750 Double pumper with down leg boosters. The 750 was the 4779. Boosters were thinned throttle bores were enlarged and polished. I Thinned the throttle shafts , used small head screws in the throttle blades and then spent many hours with JB weld and made the top entry look much more like the holley HP carb entry.
That was way before the HP came out.
That carb works and moves a lot of air.


Here is a little story on a 357" SBC with a 12" tall tunnel-ram and 2 600 edelbrock carbs.
The cam was the 280H 230@ .050 .480" lift .. 1.72-1.50 valves in 305 heads.. push rod pinch was not opened much. heads were bowl ported and vlaves got a radiused back cut.
It ran 12.51 at 111 MPH in 78 nova .



I disconnected the secondary side of those carbs and ran it in first and second gear with the 4.57 gears and it felt exactly the same as having them hooked up. ran to 6700 rpm lickity split.


Couple months later pulled the heads and installed 601 casting 305 HO heads and 1.94-1.50 valves.
292H cam 244@ .050".
It ran 11.94 at 115 and one time it went 117 MPH.
Now I disconnected the secondaries on that set up and tested it.
It went to 4800 RPM and started popping out and fell on it's face like I hit a rev limiter.


Definitely wanted much more air than the tiny valve heads and smaller cam.


I heard the track will be open this weekend for test and tune :)
 
This is an old thread, but rather than start a new one for close to the same question, I figured I'd just resurrect it. I've recently gotten a solid roller-cammed 454 with a set of 990 rectangle port heads. Cam has .730/.730" lift and is supposed to pull to 7500. I don't yet have a vehicle to put this engine in, but I think a dual quad tunnel ram would run well.

Has anyone tried a pair of the newish street demon carbs on one of these? The ones that have the "goggle valve secondary"? I have one on the low compression oval port 468 in my chevelle and it works pretty well. They make them in 625 and 750 cfm versions. I don't know whether they even make a dual quad throttle linkage setup for them, but it might not be too hard to fabricate if they don't.

Next question, what's a good tunnel ram manifold to get used for such an application? Tall height isn't a problem, whatever ends up with this engine will have a hole in the hood.
 
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