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Do you remember how it did after the swap to the Strip Dominator?
That's a great intake.


Years ago we did some at the track testing between the "trick of the week" Weiand Team G single plane and an Edelbrock C454 dual plane on a 10 sec Camaro. Couldn't tell the difference in ET or MPH really.


JIM
Jim;

Here's the best pull with a HEAVILY modified Strip Dominator on my 496:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-27-791x1024.jpg

616 HP and 616 lb.ft. peaks.

Here's the very next pull with the 163 back in place (plenum divider removed of course)

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-28-791x1024.jpg

612 HP and 610 lb.ft.

The very last pull was an intake lash change which lost 9 lb.ft and gained ~2 HP:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-30-791x1024.jpg

614 HP and 601 lb.ft.

FWIW, I did try a 1" open spacer on the 163 and it gained nothing.

Hope that helps, sorry for butting into the thread.

*EDIT* I guess I'm not allowed to hotlink images from my site now? :confused:
 
Jim;

Here's the best pull with a HEAVILY modified Strip Dominator on my 496:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-27-791x1024.jpg

616 HP and 616 lb.ft. peaks.

Here's the very next pull with the 163 back in place (plenum divider removed of course)

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-28-791x1024.jpg

612 HP and 610 lb.ft.

The very last pull was an intake lash change which lost 9 lb.ft and gained ~2 HP:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-30-791x1024.jpg

614 HP and 601 lb.ft.

FWIW, I did try a 1" open spacer on the 163 and it gained nothing.

Hope that helps, sorry for butting into the thread.

*EDIT* I guess I'm not allowed to hotlink images from my site now? :confused:

Thanks for the info Eric! I refer to your testing quite often. You do impressive work!

That 'ole 163 ain't so bad. A buddy has a genuine ancient L-88 in a Nova and we've tried several intakes. The factory stuff without a divider rocks!

JIM
 
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Years ago we did some at the track testing between the "trick of the week" Weiand Team G single plane and an Edelbrock C454 dual plane on a 10 sec Camaro. Couldn't tell the difference in ET or MPH really.


JIM[/QUOTE]

Jim,

After all done with the testing which manifold did you leave on that combo?
 
From my ancient how to Hotrod Big Block Chevys book.
From what was found is that 4 of the cylinders on the BBC do not breathe the same as the other 4. More on that in the second attachment.
A bit on Edelbrock in the 3rd attachment, I once talked to a guy that picked up a Weiand manifold and told me that he was going to fix the mis-matched ports. I told him I wouldn't do that, not sure what he did with it.

If you want a really good but dated (1971) book with tons of info on the BBC I would highly recommend this one.
 

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Staggered jetting is done in an attempt to equalize distribution to all the cylinders. Every intake will be different, different cams will change it, you can even change it with different header sizes. Factory Holley's had tabs on the DL boosters to help with more extreme distribution issues that the factory dual plane manifolds had. Chrysler had some fairly extreme jetting differences to equalize distribution, and there ae cases where booster leg sizes are different to change the curve, Pro Stock had different annular inserts for different cylinders in some cases. Some engines won't see much difference if they already distribute well, or when the carb does a real good job of atomizing fuel. Some can see noticeable gains.
 
Years ago we did some at the track testing between the "trick of the week" Weiand Team G single plane and an Edelbrock C454 dual plane on a 10 sec Camaro. Couldn't tell the difference in ET or MPH really.


JIM
Jim,

After all done with the testing which manifold did you leave on that combo?[/QUOTE]

The C454.

JIM
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
While I'm waiting for my intake gaskets to arrive I'm cleaning up the manifold and getting rid of excess casting weight. In addition to the plenum divider, I cut out the exhaust crossover material under the center of the manifold (gotta weld up the flange ports yet), cut off the left front alternator bracket casting piece, the Edelbrock label casting at the front of the carb area (looks a little bit more like a stock Chevy part with the Edelbrock name removed), and gotta finish grinding and welding the last piece of casting that contained one side of the steel tubing that was part of a heated choke system. I also lightly polished the underside of the manifold to reduce the surface area for less heat conduction if hot oil splashes on the underside surface. I did retain a short tubing section from the choke setup. It's just an external nipple that is connected via a passage to the underside of the manifold. I've always been curious what the pressure is in the crankcase/valley area at WOT, and I think I'll just use this port to hook up to a pressure gauge.

I'll have 1 1/2-2 pounds off the manifold from this bit of low skill manual labor. May not seem like much, but it's up front and up high, and I'm just about out of ideas on how to pull more weight off the car while retaining a stock/sleeper look (the car is 2750# at the moment, which is helpful when running a "small" displacement big block).

OBTW, the Fel-Pro gasket kit comes without end gaskets. What sealant are you guys using on the front and rear with decent success?

Thanks
Mike
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
From my ancient how to Hotrod Big Block Chevys book.
From what was found is that 4 of the cylinders on the BBC do not breathe the same as the other 4. More on that in the second attachment.
A bit on Edelbrock in the 3rd attachment, I once talked to a guy that picked up a Weiand manifold and told me that he was going to fix the mis-matched ports. I told him I wouldn't do that, not sure what he did with it.

If you want a really good but dated (1971) book with tons of info on the BBC I would highly recommend this one.
Thanks for the files. I appreciate it. I've had the How to hot rod BBC book for a long time, but it's MIA from the last move.

I was hoping the book mentioned a few details on how much of the plenum divider height to retain (1/8", 1/4", 1/2", etc), but I didn't see anything in those pages.
 
I was hoping the book mentioned a few details on how much of the plenum divider height to retain (1/8", 1/4", 1/2", etc), but I didn't see anything in those pages.
Book states .090
And that is what the machine shop milled mine down to per my instruction.
 
Discussion starter · #31 ·
Skier and 4 Speed, I greatly appreciate the info and files. One more request. I'm still striking out finding my misplaced copy of HTHBBC. Would either of you have a picture/file of the page that recommends the ninety thousandths height for the remaining divider? I'd like to see if there's any additional information or context with that number before I grind out the remaining bit of height.

Thanks again, and I'm off to digging through boxes again to see it I can find my copy (I did find my copy of HTHSBC, but fat lotta good that does me).
 
Discussion starter · #32 ·
Jim;

Here's the best pull with a HEAVILY modified Strip Dominator on my 496:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-27-791x1024.jpg

616 HP and 616 lb.ft. peaks.

Here's the very next pull with the 163 back in place (plenum divider removed of course)

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-28-791x1024.jpg

612 HP and 610 lb.ft.

The very last pull was an intake lash change which lost 9 lb.ft and gained ~2 HP:

http://www.vintagemusclecarparts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Pull-30-791x1024.jpg

614 HP and 601 lb.ft.

FWIW, I did try a 1" open spacer on the 163 and it gained nothing.

Hope that helps, sorry for butting into the thread.

*EDIT* I guess I'm not allowed to hotlink images from my site now? :confused:
I just made the connection (unless, of course, I'm completely wrong :laugh: ). Jim (540Hotrod) posted a link regarding some dyno work on a thread of mine (elsewhere) a while back. I was looking for info on cutting out the plenum divider, and I believe it was your engine/dyno work that I was reading about. An enjoyable and informative read. I appreciate Jim's and your help with my questions.
 
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