Alf Weibe

BillyGman · Jul 26, 2006

Motor Martyr said:
Ski,
I can appreciate what you've done with your corvette, and chevelle. And i also appreciate the response. Let me conclude by saying that i feel that you have my friend ed all wrong. I've known him for years, he's a good friend and a good person, very straight forward.

Since you guys are discussing this on an open forum, then I'll add my 2 cents.... I just want to say that I've never even met your "friend" nor have I seen his car run at the track, but I'm quite impressed with the pics I've seen of his car launching off the line, as well as with his posted 60' time on the Dragtimes site just as I was very impressed with Adam's Green 71 Chevelle and the way that I saw it launching at E-town a month ago. Your "friend" also has one nice looking 68 Chevelle I might add.

However, w/out ever meeting "Racer1320" myself, I will tell you that for some reason, many people on various car boards refer to him as being an arrogant guy. Now that of and in itself might not make that neccessarily true, and I cannot say whether it is or isn't. But all that I CAN say is that for some reason many people of a number of boards have negative things to say about the man's attitude. So it's either nothing but pure jealously because of what he's accomplished with his car, or he's rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. So if he can read this post, then he might want to consider that. And I mean no offense to you nor to him by mentioning that. I'm just stating a fact concerning what people say about him, and I'm including guys who don't even own Chevelles too.

ski_dwn_it · Jul 27, 2006

Motor Martyr said:
I can appreciate other peoples work and I do, i think the mustang wheelies quite well for a 1.48 60ft. however i dont appreciate you Asking my advice, then posting something like....."look at what my friend is doing without all that fancy stuff"

If you dont need my help/advice i'd appreciate you not asking me questions, i take the time out of my day to repsond to your questions, and its very insulting when someone throws that in my face.

Ski,
I can appreciate what you've done with your corvette, and chevelle. And i also appreciate the response. Let me conclude by saying that i feel that you have my friend ed all wrong. I've known him for years, he's a good friend and a good person, very straight forward.

Motor I have said the same to Ed, and know that your probably right.....however I can't look past the fact that he does treat people like crap on these boards......my first experience with this was anything but helpful and frankly he came across as an azz. Not to call names or anything, just pointing out that he would be most likely regarded a valuable resource with these cars if he could only change the way he approaches people and their questions.....In other words, work on the people skills a little....
Theres nothing wrong with a little verbal warfare on subjects people are passionate about.......you and I just went back and forth and I personally feel that nothing was said or done that would leave bad blood.

Some of the best debates I have been in regarding vettes and the myths surrounding the stock ECM and capabilities etc were in threads like this that were 20 pages long with others. In those threads though, a LOT is exposed in knowledge and learned tricks trying to defend ones position......those that care to follow these threads can pick up on some pretty interesting things. Otherwise these things stay locked up and in the hands of only a few.

That is why I say these are good discussions. Talk to you around...

joespanova · Jul 27, 2006

You know , I started to read this tonight..............must be bored............and I've come to one conclusion about this debate that I think will help everyone immensely ( and I like all you folks)............................................START USING SPELL CHECK! DAMN!.............

ChevelleRob · Jul 27, 2006

I like threads like this for the reasons Ski said. Passion is good, BS is not.

BillyGman · Jul 27, 2006

joespanova said:
You know , I started to read this tonight..............must be bored............and I've come to one conclusion about this debate that I think will help everyone immensely ( and I like all you folks)............................................START USING SPELL CHECK! DAMN!.............

LOL....that was good....

Bob West · Jul 27, 2006

All of these mid nine to mid ten second, good biting, cars leave with similar quickness and i was only pointing this out, not trying to 'dis
anybody just saying i think all of them are neet to watch. I've never seen any stage, no matter whether it's deep or shallow, change a sixty foot by a whole tenth of a second except a converter change or a LOT more power

Harold, on June 16 Ozark ran its first 6.90 index race, I chose to deep stage to have a chance against the transbrake guys. Every single deep stage pass had a 60ft time of 1.551-1.568 and the car ran 6.879-6.936 ( 6 passes total), I made it to the final 4 cars before I lost, even won a little money

. Upon losing I immediately came back around and shallow staged as if bracket racing and it went 1.449 and ran 6.76 1/8th mile, this was only 20 minutes after losing in the 6.90 class. I do believe there is a tenth difference between deep and shallow staging, not sure if being a heavy car had anything to do with it, but that is exactly how it went down.

ejrempel · Jul 27, 2006

Bob West said:
Harold, on June 16 Ozark ran its first 6.90 index race, I chose to deep stage to have a chance against the transbrake guys. Every single deep stage pass had a 60ft time of 1.551-1.568 and the car ran 6.879-6.936 ( 6 passes total), I made it to the final 4 cars before I lost, even won a little money . Upon losing I immediately came back around and shallow staged as if bracket racing and it went 1.449 and ran 6.76 1/8th mile, this was only 20 minutes after losing in the 6.90 class. I do believe there is a tenth difference between deep and shallow staging, not sure if being a heavy car had anything to do with it, but that is exactly how it went down.

There is something about facts that I find sweet as honey. And yeah, Ed is arrogant, but ya gotta admit, its bought and paid for.

ski_dwn_it · Jul 27, 2006

Definately a good thread.....as some are recognizing......

I think both groups make good points and have the "goods" to back up their points.....

Theirs:

Ours:

We have some more work to do on the launches. This was only leaving at 1900RPM off the footbrake in these photos. Plan is to work with the limiters this weekend and come up on the converter a little harder. When I drove it in these photos, the car went about .05sec quicker and carried the front to the 60' cones leaving at 1900 opposed to my father that was leaving right off idle and carrying them to about the 50ft mark. I suspect once we get it dialed in and only lift the front as much as needed it will get down into the 1.2X range..........proofs in the pudding though.

jbird · Jul 27, 2006

Motor Martyr said:
I can appreciate other peoples work and I do, i think the mustang wheelies quite well for a 1.48 60ft. however i dont appreciate you Asking my advice, then posting something like....."look at what my friend is doing without all that fancy stuff"

If you dont need my help/advice i'd appreciate you not asking me questions, i take the time out of my day to repsond to your questions, and its very insulting when someone throws that in my face.

Ski,
I can appreciate what you've done with your corvette, and chevelle. And i also appreciate the response. Let me conclude by saying that i feel that you have my friend ed all wrong. I've known him for years, he's a good friend and a good person, very straight forward.

Brian, my intent was not to insult you. I just happen to think my friend is getting a lot out of his car without much going into it. Just thought it might be interesting to you as well. That car is somewhat of an oddity, and he gets accused of having nitrous on it all the time. As far as the questions about getting the front of my car to settle back down better after launch, and while going down the track. I do appreciate your answers, even though they don't fit into my game plan at the moment. You gave me some things to consider for sure. I try to listen to people and gain information anywhere I can. Good luck with your stocker build on your Camaro. That should be some great experience you will draw on from now on.

Edit: As far as Ed is concerned, I have seen some of the things he has posted, and some of it is just flat indefensible. Having said that, I have defended friends of mine at times when they were wrong as well. So there you go.

Motor Martyr · Jul 27, 2006

Here's the shots from our A/SA from Atco's Divisional:

http://www.davemilcarek.com/040106a/pages/3-30-1D 266.htm

http://www.davemilcarek.com/040106a/pages/3-31-3D 101.htm

http://www.davemilcarek.com/040106a/pages/3-31-4S 115.htm

http://www.davemilcarek.com/040106a/pages/3-31-4S 116.htm

http://www.davemilcarek.com/040106a/pages/3-31-4S 117.htm

Pro67Chevy · Jul 27, 2006

I am not a big voice on this board, nor have I got impressive time slips to brag about (yet). But what I can tell you is that in the many years I’ve been hanging around this Forum, and the track, it is obvious there is one common trait about winning drag racers. And that’s the aggressive, passionate, cocky, competitive nature of the guys who are quick.

If you wanna be quick and you want to be on the cutting edge you got to have that fire under your ass. I can see it in guys like Motor Martyr, ski_down_it, Ed B., and others. You guys are ALL the same. It’s a good thing. Without that attitude there would be no 9 or 10 second 3600 lb. Chevelles out there. You’d all be a bunch of basket weavers! I have the same attitude. I practically go into convolutions when I watch these guys on the track, I can not wait to be back out there, but I know it will take time to get there.

I used to talk to Ed quite a bit a couple years ago. He truly is a good guy. He may not be a “people person” on the internet but he loves to share, even brag, about what he’s accomplished. But that is the nature of anyone who wants to be faster than the other guy. And they are the ones who keep pushing others to do the same. Whether he’s wrong or right he’s got the right attitude for racing.

I’m not the most articulate guy in the world but somewhere in there you guys know what I’m talking about. Keep pushing it and I hope to be among the ranks of guys posting pics of my ’67 pointing towards the sky!!!

Jim

Harold Sutton · Jul 27, 2006

Bob West said:
Harold, on June 16 Ozark ran its first 6.90 index race, I chose to deep stage to have a chance against the transbrake guys. Every single deep stage pass had a 60ft time of 1.551-1.568 and the car ran 6.879-6.936 ( 6 passes total), I made it to the final 4 cars before I lost, even won a little money . Upon losing I immediately came back around and shallow staged as if bracket racing and it went 1.449 and ran 6.76 1/8th mile, this was only 20 minutes after losing in the 6.90 class. I do believe there is a tenth difference between deep and shallow staging, not sure if being a heavy car had anything to do with it, but that is exactly how it went down.

Hi Bob, I've never seen it make much difference in Brian's car but it does make a tenth of a seconds difference in the reaction time. Like the .415 light he cut in the finals against Fat Cat at Mo-Kan. He sure owned Mike for a while.

ski_dwn_it · Jul 27, 2006

Very well said pro67.......

As I say its NOT BRAGGIN if you can do it. Believe ALI said that too!

fowl69 · Jul 27, 2006

this is a little off the subject but what does that green chevelle have in it for a power plant "dang"

BillyGman · Jul 27, 2006

ski_dwn_it said:
Very well said pro67.......

As I say its NOT BRAGGIN if you can do it. Believe ALI said that too!

Yeah but Ali in his day was always a bragging cocky arrogant dude anyway. Part of it may have been a publicity act just to sell tickets, but I can't help but to think that was just the way he was. But who knows? That's for another board I guess. But it seems like with any sport or hobby, you have the guys who are pure hobbyists or pure sportsmen who are willing to help anyone out regardless of their degree of success, and then you have those who have something to sell who are often very different (although I have found exceptions to that rule).

Neither one is right or wrong, but they're usually very different in their interactions with others within their hobby. But then you have the ones that are sort of in between the two groups who seem to let their success go to their heads like a little boy who has a better bicycle than the rest of the KIDS on the block. He has a big and delicate ego that cannot handle any success without getting all puffed-up. But those are KIDS.

Sure, everyone likes to brag and also show-off atleast a little bit. But I can't understand how some guys want to brag and flash their successes all over a board, and then at the same time get an attitude about it when people start asking them questions about how they accomplished what they did. That's kind of a contradiction, as well as being unrealistic and plain arrogant if you ask me. No, I'm not neccessarily refering to anyone on this board ofcourse, but it's just a personal observation that I've made about human nature concerning this sport/hobby of ours as well as other sports and hobbies in general, and I guess that if the shoe fits, then wear it.

Motor Martyr · Jul 27, 2006

Pro67Chevy said:
I am not a big voice on this board, nor have I got impressive time slips to brag about (yet). But what I can tell you is that in the many years I’ve been hanging around this Forum, and the track, it is obvious there is one common trait about winning drag racers. And that’s the aggressive, passionate, cocky, competitive nature of the guys who are quick.

If you wanna be quick and you want to be on the cutting edge you got to have that fire under your ass. I can see it in guys like Motor Martyr, ski_down_it, Ed B., and others. You guys are ALL the same. It’s a good thing. Without that attitude there would be no 9 or 10 second 3600 lb. Chevelles out there. You’d all be a bunch of basket weavers! I have the same attitude. I practically go into convolutions when I watch these guys on the track, I can not wait to be back out there, but I know it will take time to get there.

I used to talk to Ed quite a bit a couple years ago. He truly is a good guy. He may not be a “people person” on the internet but he loves to share, even brag, about what he’s accomplished. But that is the nature of anyone who wants to be faster than the other guy. And they are the ones who keep pushing others to do the same. Whether he’s wrong or right he’s got the right attitude for racing.

I’m not the most articulate guy in the world but somewhere in there you guys know what I’m talking about. Keep pushing it and I hope to be among the ranks of guys posting pics of my ’67 pointing towards the sky!!!

Jim

LOL,
that reminds me of a day me and my good friends all went out dinner, back when i was working as a Production TIG welder for a company that does strictly stainless work.

and in a suprised tone i said "you believe they told me i had an Attitude at work today".....and all of my friends unanimously started cracking up hysterically, still a famous line in my group.

ski_dwn_it · Jul 28, 2006

Billyg,

You said it right, you can tell the people that truely want to help other that have reached some level of success. I can speak for myself, and say I get as MUCH of a kick out of helping others succeed as I do accomplishing something myself. Some like to protect their findings/achievments by letting other learn the hard way.....man I have been there MANY times about to give up, feeling beaten down....and taking the LONG trip home from the track not accomplishing ANYTHING worthwhile....personally I don't wish that upon anyone.....

Wrenching and tweaking and making gains are what attract me to this more than actually driving the car down the strip (get a HUGE rush from that too) but the REAL pain and is the working all week to get that extra .05sec gain.

Back when I was getting started in vettes, I met a guy on a board that out of the blue offered to come to the track and help me with a setup I just built. I looked at his signiture and he was running nearly 1sec quicker than the other guys I looked up to for sound advice......at first I thought this guy is probably just a big BSer.....announced I was coming to the track to some on the board and while in the pits he came up and introduced himself....drove about 1 hr to be there. He went over the car and asked me a few dozen questions all of which checked to what he himself would do. We learned that we shared MANY of the same concepts and I listened VERY carefully to this guy and at times there were things we differed on in opions but always hashed it out with HEATED debates at times. Through the years we have now built several engines/cars together and raced MANY days together with our "same" setups and this boy always eeeeeks out at least .1sec quicker than me no matter what we do. It was a race to the 10s for both of us and he beat me, both helping each other along through the way - and blowing everyone else away by a long-shot to catch either of us. This past two seasons we built again the same setups (that I am running now) and for the first season he again was always .1sec ahead of me. Drove me MAD at night, I would call him and he would be thrashing on his setup....it would make me go out and start working on mine at 10pm.....we would show up the next race and I would make a pass and gain .13sec better than ever before, and he would run and be .15sec quicker.....this went on all of two seasons until last year I FINALLY got quicker! It was an awesome feeling.....sounds trivial but to those that chase excellance....there is not other feeling. At we ended the season I went 10.15sec with a 1.37 60' to his 10.27 with a 1.43 60'.

But in the end I credit MUCH of my success to that guy taking the time to help me out, no strings attached..........I like to do the same to other and have always been an open book to others......what I find though is people like to ask advice, but seldom follow it......again though I do not take this personal even if they come back asking questions, since I have no idea finacially if these people can afford what I tell them they need to do. I have said it MANY times on here that the front of the car needs to be "working" in order to get your chevelle to work like ours, but realize there are people that can't afford to setup their stuff with GOOD components.

Its all good AS LONG as your intentions are good. Anyone can crawl under my car anyday, as long as they do not have a wrench in their hand

ChevelleRob · Jul 28, 2006

ski_dwn_it said:
Billyg,

You said it right, you can tell the people that truely want to help other that have reached some level of success. I can speak for myself, and say I get as MUCH of a kick out of helping others succeed as I do accomplishing something myself. Some like to protect their findings/achievments by letting other learn the hard way.....man I have been there MANY times about to give up, feeling beaten down....and taking the LONG trip home from the track not accomplishing ANYTHING worthwhile....personally I don't wish that upon anyone.....

Wrenching and tweaking and making gains are what attract me to this more than actually driving the car down the strip (get a HUGE rush from that too) but the REAL pain and is the working all week to get that extra .05sec gain.

Back when I was getting started in vettes, I met a guy on a board that out of the blue offered to come to the track and help me with a setup I just built. I looked at his signiture and he was running nearly 1sec quicker than the other guys I looked up to for sound advice......at first I thought this guy is probably just a big BSer.....announced I was coming to the track to some on the board and while in the pits he came up and introduced himself....drove about 1 hr to be there. He went over the car and asked me a few dozen questions all of which checked to what he himself would do. We learned that we shared MANY of the same concepts and I listened VERY carefully to this guy and at times there were things we differed on in opions but always hashed it out with HEATED debates at times. Through the years we have now built several engines/cars together and raced MANY days together with our "same" setups and this boy always eeeeeks out at least .1sec quicker than me no matter what we do. It was a race to the 10s for both of us and he beat me, both helping each other along through the way - and blowing everyone else away by a long-shot to catch either of us. This past two seasons we built again the same setups (that I am running now) and for the first season he again was always .1sec ahead of me. Drove me MAD at night, I would call him and he would be thrashing on his setup....it would make me go out and start working on mine at 10pm.....we would show up the next race and I would make a pass and gain .13sec better than ever before, and he would run and be .15sec quicker.....this went on all of two seasons until last year I FINALLY got quicker! It was an awesome feeling.....sounds trivial but to those that chase excellance....there is not other feeling. At we ended the season I went 10.15sec with a 1.37 60' to his 10.27 with a 1.43 60'.

But in the end I credit MUCH of my success to that guy taking the time to help me out, no strings attached..........I like to do the same to other and have always been an open book to others......what I find though is people like to ask advice, but seldom follow it......again though I do not take this personal even if they come back asking questions, since I have no idea finacially if these people can afford what I tell them they need to do. I have said it MANY times on here that the front of the car needs to be "working" in order to get your chevelle to work like ours, but realize there are people that can't afford to setup their stuff with GOOD components.

Its all good AS LONG as your intentions are good. Anyone can crawl under my car anyday, as long as they do not have a wrench in their hand

Really great post, which reminds me, of a guy who was once a friend of mine, we had some differences over the years, and a big one was while I was having a new motor (427 bbc) built the machinist told me if I had my "stuff" together and the car was good it would probably run 12.20's. So I tell my friend this and he immediatly starts talking crap about how do I think my car will run that fast, "just because you have a BBC". (he ran a Pontiac 400) Now I was just relating what I was told by the guy building the motor thinking my friend would be happy for me. But that was faster than he had been at that point, and he didn't want to hear it.

That caused a falling out, then when I finally did get my motor back, we raced two or three weeks later I had not been to the track yet and only once before ever and I won. I will grant his car was faster than mine and if he had not tried to cheat by using N20 with an empty bottle he would have handed my ass to mee.

Car ran 12.20's second time out. nuff said

joespanova · Jul 28, 2006

You know...if a picture's worth a thousand words......then this thread has provided enough words( pictures) to cover the entire English language.........guys........thanks for the pics........great wallpaper!....excuse me .....have to get another beer and some pretzels!

BillyGman · Jul 28, 2006

ski_dwn_it said:
Billyg,

You said it right, you can tell the people that truely want to help other that have reached some level of success........

But in the end I credit MUCH of my success to that guy taking the time to help me out, no strings attached..........I like to do the same to other and have always been an open book to others......

. I have said it MANY times on here that the front of the car needs to be "working" in order to get your chevelle to work like ours, but realize there are people that can't afford to setup their stuff with GOOD components.

Its all good AS LONG as your intentions are good. Anyone can crawl under my car anyday, as long as they do not have a wrench in their hand

I appreciate your openess, your advice, and you sharing the details of your plight. Guys like you obviously have a lot of confidence, and aren't always worried to death about somebody else running quicker. And I agree with what you said about the majority of the people aren't even going to take your advice, and they're going to do things their own way anyway. So why should anyone worry about sharing "secrets" with their fellow sportsmen? Because most of them won't see it your way anyway!

But the few that do, will be very greatful, and they might even return the favour some day in the future. And if you happen to be a business man, then they might very well be a walking advertisement for your biz even iof they weren't a paying customer. So what is there to lose? Whether you'rs sportsman, or you're looking to make money off the sport, you still win in the longrun. You gain business, and/or you make loyal friends. But I guess that's the problem...most guys aren't looking at the longrun. All is they care about is today, and they're kinda short sighted that way, so they're afraid to share any details that they consider "secrets".

I've never been at the 10 second mark (yet), but I've managed to put together a true daily driver with a race weight of 4,444 LBS that runs consistent 12.2's in the heat, and 12.0's in the cool weather on pump gas. And I was always an open book about my car, and helped anyone out with advice who asked me. What's the big deal? There will always be someone out there faster than you anyway. So why walk around being a jerk about what you've accomplished, and not wanting to help anyone out? In the LONGRUN, being like that is gonna bite you, because you'll burn so many bridges being that way that you'll either lose a lot of friends, or alot of potential customers.

The guy who owns the company that I bought my supercharger from is an open book on and off the track about his car as well as his products, when he's talking to paying customers as well as those who aren't his customers, and he has one of the most successful businesses around in this game. And much of that is due to the fact that not only his product is outstanding, but he's ne of the greatest guys that you'll ever meet at the dragstrip, or anywhere else for that matter. So i don't think that even should make any difference whether you're a sportsman bracket racer or a business owner in this game. I see no reason for cockiness, nor rudeness. It's just childish either way, and you'll burn a lot of bridges being like that in the LONGRUN.

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