[andrewb70]

http://www.dragzine.com/features/pr...gends-lgt-700-monster-5-speed-manual-gearbox/

Is this a RS600?

I know nothing more than what it says in the link above.

Andrew

 

[Bow_Tied]

http://www.dragzine.com/features/pr...gends-lgt-700-monster-5-speed-manual-gearbox/

Is this a RS600?

I know nothing more than what it says in the link above.

Andrew

The pictures show a trans that appears to have a Kiesler logo and "RS" on it. But the article is written like there is a new player on the scene.

http://www.legendgt.com/

Who has the inside scoop on this?

 

[CHELKAMINO]

This pic clearly shows a Keisler's and Legends sticker pile on the table......hmmmmm? But this trans does not look like the unit I saw at Calisle back in the spring.

 

[5speeds]

These transmissions are based on the Borg Warner T45. I liked the T45 very much. I personally like the new cases cast for it and I am sure the internals are new as well. What I don't like is the geometry error produced by the offset shifter, which if you know your math, you will have. This is a carry over from the typical TKO style conversions. To me if you are going to the trouble of recasting a complete case you might as well make the shifter on the side, but typically the engineering talent isn't there. If it was, it would be done. Most people just get locked into copying all the geometry of the original unit and why bother? The other thing that scares me about these T5 ( Mcleod ) and T45 ( Keisler, or Legend) is the abiltiy to get service parts in the future.

 

[andrewb70]

These transmissions are based on the Borg Warner T45. I liked the T45 very much. I personally like the new cases cast for it and I am sure the internals are new as well. What I don't like is the geometry error produced by the offset shifter, which if you know your math, you will have. This is a carry over from the typical TKO style conversions. To me if you are going to the trouble of recasting a complete case you might as well make the shifter on the side, but typically the engineering talent isn't there. If it was, it would be done. Most people just get locked into copying all the geometry of the original unit and why bother? The other thing that scares me about these T5 ( Mcleod ) and T45 ( Keisler, or Legend) is the abiltiy to get service parts in the future.

Paul,

Thanks for your comments. Can you please elaborate some more on the parts availability concern?

Andrew

 

[69ttop502]

Paul, always learn alot from your posts. Interesting take on the engineering side. We all assume it is easy to design a new transmission. Hard enough to optimize a tranny that already exists.

 

[Bow_Tied]

Sure, engineering talent can vary, like any role/position in any career in any business. Why people assume the engineering talent is lacking when they see a less than ideal design is beyond me and frankly, insulting. Anyone who has worked in the engineering field knows more times than not it is mangement decisions of time/money that dictate what is permitted to be included in the scope of a project. Business reasons that cut projects short, skip elements of a design/improvement cause less than ideal products. Yet the engineering folks always get the blame. :sad:

 

[mrennie]

The link doesn't work for me.

Hopefully it is a new entry in the 5 speed market. The more choices the better!

 

[CHELKAMINO]

The link doesn't work for me.

Hopefully it is a new entry in the 5 speed market. The more choices the better!

Link didn't work for me either.......I just went to dragzine.com and scrolled down to find the trans section.

 

[JIM]

According to Shafi,...that trans you see is the future of the RS based transmissions that they will offer.

 

[FiredUp396]

According to Shafi,...that trans you see is the future of the RS based transmissions that they will offer.

From this video it is a updated version of the RS called a SS sure would have been nice to have this case for B/H mounting hey Jim

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[JIM]

From this video it is a updated version of the RS called a SS sure would have been nice to have this case for B/H mounting hey Jim

Sure would be nice. I like that case design/bolt access. He says the new case should be ready in the spring of next year. I am going to be using the new case when it is available.

 

[mrennie]

Anyone take a close look at the sticker on the side of the trans case in the video? It shows two gearsets with different ratios than the RS500/600 with a 700 rating.

Hope this things get into production on schedule and get good reviews.

 

[mrennie]

I was checking out the ratio's shown for the SS700 5 speed, and the first 4 gears ratios are identical to the Viper T56 and GM T56 respectively.

One shows 2.66/1.78/1.30/1.0 with a .68 or .8 OD, and the other is 2.97/2.07/1.43/1.0 with a .68 or .8 OD.

 

[chevy111]

Well I for one would love to pick one of these up. Especially the 700hp version. Hopefully they have better production runs than the current offering. Spring sounds about right for when I plan on clunking down the cash too.

 

[5speeds]

Sure, engineering talent can vary, like any role/position in any career in any business. Why people assume the engineering talent is lacking when they see a less than ideal design is beyond me and frankly, insulting. Anyone who has worked in the engineering field knows more times than not it is mangement decisions of time/money that dictate what is permitted to be included in the scope of a project. Business reasons that cut projects short, skip elements of a design/improvement cause less than ideal products. Yet the engineering folks always get the blame. :sad:

I would agree with you except, that these are not big companies. We are not talking GM, or Xerox.

 

[5speeds]

Paul,
Thanks for your comments. Can you please elaborate some more on the parts availability concern?
Andrew

Sure! Having been involved with Borg Warner and Tremec since 1981 I've seen a great deal of supply issues. The T45 platform was never really accepted well or stocked. Most stock components were "Ford only", never issued or allowed to the aftermarket. Not everything in those T45 based units is new. When people start making custom gearsets most companies never stock the surplus volume and to be honest I've seen issues with even the Muncie stuff I sell. It becomes difficult to get at times. Imagine breaking a gear or shift Fork and nothing is available. This should be a huge concern and it rarely is mentioned. Things WILL break. I've stopped selling certain gearsets, especially racing sets because time and time someone broke something and I couldn't service the unit. As a distributer you have to stock component parts because sometimes these companies are only running 20 sets at a time. With the Muncie program I can tell you we are doing huge volumes of parts unlike anyone else. None of these people are running a few hundred gearsets like AGE is in regards to the Muncie platform and even then it gets tight. Sometimes, the parts waiting game usually is because someone doesn't have the money to run the volume they need.

 

[Sergio 69 SS396]

Sure! Having been involved with Borg Warner and Tremec since 1981 I've seen a great deal of supply issues. The T45 platform was never really accepted well or stocked. Most stock components were "Ford only", never issued or allowed to the aftermarket. Not everything in those T45 based units is new. When people start making custom gearsets most companies never stock the surplus volume and to be honest I've seen issues with even the Muncie stuff I sell. It becomes difficult to get at times. Imagine breaking a gear or shift Fork and nothing is available. This should be a huge concern and it rarely is mentioned. Things WILL break. I've stopped selling certain gearsets, especially racing sets because time and time someone broke something and I couldn't service the unit. As a distributer you have to stock component parts because sometimes these companies are only running 20 sets at a time. With the Muncie program I can tell you we are doing huge volumes of parts unlike anyone else. None of these people are running a few hundred gearsets like AGE is in regards to the Muncie platform and even then it gets tight. Sometimes, the parts waiting game usually is because someone doesn't have the money to run the volume they need.

I'll be calling you soon Paul!

 

[69ttop502]

I'll be calling you soon Paul!

You certainly couldn't go wrong dealing with Paul. A few years ago I stopped in Paul's shop for a Muncie bearing retainer. Paul could not have been nicer to talk to. His shop was spotless and a very impressive place. I will be buying from Paul as well when ready. He will tell you like it is with no BS.

Bill

 

[JIM]

More on that new trans from Shafi....

Legend Gear & Transmission has achieved the next big step in transmission evolution, with the debut of the LGT-700 for 2012, a brand new, ultra compact 700 LB-FT rated fully synchronized overdrive 5-speed designed and purpose built for our American aftermarket - muscle cars, Corvette, street rods, classics, customs and sport trucks. At Keisler Engineering, we will build this transmission in our fully customized PerfectFit solutions as the Super Sport 700. And, our popular Rallye Sport transmission will evolve to Gen-2 in 2012 and receive the shift system and case upgrades. And all of this Made in USA! That's right USA - not south of the border, and not China, Taiwan, Korea, India or some other overseas source. Employing Americans like you and me with high skill manufacturing jobs, that in return provide up to another 3-5 service jobs for every skilled manufacturing job. This is what America needs, and I am proud to be associated with Legend Gear & Transmission going into 2012, with Keisler Engineering being LGT's very first distributor.
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