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Maybe I can help out here a little bit. It probably sounds stupid but I tried to make it as simple as possible.

The problem they have is the gamma dose rate, they can't get in close to do much, so they have to stay in an area that shields them.

Power plants have a bunch of little rooms all through them and usually about 4 elevations.

The ones I worked in have elevators and stairs to take you to the different elevations.

So lets say you have a reactor on the south end and a reactor on the north end, this would be a twin unit.

Then you will have a spent fuel pool in between the reactors (called the auxillary building).

I'm referring to a pressurized water reactor not a boiling water reactor like the Japanese have.

I have worked in boiling water power plants but spent more time in the pressurized ones.

I'm not intending to describe any particular plant I have worked it, I did however spend some time in 4 different plants, doing refuelings, generator change outs and piping change outs.

I worked at Mcguire in North Carolina, Indian point in New York, vermont Yankee in Vermont and Point Beach in Wisconsin.

I worked in radiation protection so I knew where the high and low gamma radiation was at.

I also worked in the State of Washington in 1981 and 1982 on a survey crew building one. This was in Satsop Washington.

So I have a working knowledge of a little bit of it.

I'll try and put this into easy simple to understand terms.

Before we go to work so to say, to try and get water to the reactor and spent fuel pool, we need to know a couple more things.

The other radiation is Neutron, but you only have this when you have fission (the reactor is under power)

Okay, were going to get dressed out to go around or near the plant to do some work, maybe haul some hoses or whatever.

They use coveralls like a mechanic would use only a little thicker material but not a lot, then a hood out of the same material and a little white skull cap under the hood something like a priest might wear to cover the hair on your head.

Then some thin plastic shoe covers that go up the ankle about 8 inches, then rubber boots like a farmer might wear about 8 inches tall also.

Then some cotton liners, like the little white glove that Michael Jackson wore then rubber gloves that go over the cotton liners up the wrist about 6 inches.

The cotton liners help absorb the sweat off your hand.

Okay were all dressed up and ready to go, nope not quite, we will put on a full face respirator just in case we have some airborne contamination floating around.

Now heres a pretty important thing in the dressing out process.

We use duct tape like you can buy at the hardware store.

You will duct tape the front zipper all the way from his crotch to his neck, then you tape the top of his boots, then his gloves at the top usually one time around the boots and gloves.

So now he has the coveralls on and the boots and gloves taped up, next he puts on the respirator, some body will dress him up so he doesn't get any hair in between the seal on the respirator and his forehead.

Then he will hold his hand over the respirator filter and suck in to see if he is getting any leakage on the edges.

Then you put on the skull cap and hood, then tape the hood to his shoulders and tape the hood to the out side edge of the respirator, then tape around where the top of the zipper is.

Also where ever you tape him up you want to leave about a 2 inch tab when he comes back from his work area you can get him undressed without struggling with the tape.

Also give him a couple of extra pairs of rubber gloves to stick in his pocket just in case.

Now by the time you get him dressed up he's starting to get warm and inside a power plant he could be starting to sweat.

So he's getting a tiny bit of stress before he even gets going.

Wearing a respirator will tire you pretty easily, plus you can't turn your head to far or squint or talk much or your respirator will leak and you will be sucking some contaminated outside air.

If the guy you just dressed out is a plant maintenance or plant operator he is trained and will carry a pocket dosimeter and an alarming meter so he doesn't get into a pretty high radiation field.

Now if you listened to some of the reports on the television you heard them mention scba.

scba is a self contained breathing apparatus.

It is for situations where the atmosphere might be oxygen deficient, or smoke (firefighters wear them) or in a nuclear plant a lot of airborne contamination and also surface contamination kind of like dust its contaminated but you just can't see it its so fine.

Also if your in a heavly contaminated area you may wear a full plastic suit instead of the coveralls and the plastic suit will be taped up very carefully, with absolutely no leaks around the respirator gloves and boots.

Scba has a harness with a tank on the back thats good for a little under an hour, I've been out of the business a few years and I can't remember for sure.

So the bottom line here is these workers are under stress right from the get go. The rubber boots are not a light weight material there kind of heavy.

The worker had somebody dress him and when he comes back somebody should help undress him unless he's has a lot of experience getting undressed, because he probably has looose (contaminated dust on his clothing and hood)

Allright were dressed out and ready to go to work, with a loss of onsite power you will need a flashlight and a tool pouch with what ever tools you need.

So a onsite rad protection technician will probably go along to keep them from going into a high radiation area, in an accident situation like this I would say your normal dose rates wil have changed.

The rad tech will also dress just like the worker.

In some cases you will put dosimeters on a guys wrist or ankles if that particular part of his body is touching something, like a pipe could have a lot of gamma radiation coming off from it and maybe have a hot spot only a few inches long in the same pipe.

All right were going to try to get a water hose just out side of the reactor containment building.

So the rad tech will have surveyed parts of the area and knows where they can get through, providing some water hasn't moved in the pipes or water has drained out of the pipes to make a higher or lower gamma dose rate.

Now were ready to go, and you might start down in the lower level of the auxillary building because all those levels and all the little rooms have walls that help shield you from the gamma radiation.

Its not a go take a hose over here, its how do you get there with out getting hit with a lot of gamma rays.

Its pretty cumbersome to work in one of these plants with coveralls and hood and respirator.

If you dress a guy out in plastics and he has them on for 45 minutes his head will be red as a beet and his inner clothes will be soaking wet, sometimes the same thing with just coveralls and a respirator on.

Now if you have 50 guys taking care of that many units I don't see how they can get anything done.

I'm getting tired and I might put some more out, but anyway for whats it worth this is kind of how it works.

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So, what you're saying is....they're ******ed.
 

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Now if you have 50 guys taking care of that many units I don't see how they can get anything done.


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Just a side note but if you are referring to the "50" number they keep stating on the news, the japanese actually have 140+ people in there. The "50" number just stuck, I suppose, because the "fukishima 140" doesnt sound as good.
 

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How is posting here going to help them? :confused:
It provides a first person look at what power plant workers endure in a non-emergency day. If nothing else, the post might increase empathy for the remaining workers.

Rob's post can help raise awareness of a world changing event. Those remaining workers are facing incredible obstacles and almost certainly a much shorter life expectancy if they make it out alive.

There will be many heroic efforts that we never hear about in this disaster. There won't be a Letterman interview or parade for them. If nothing else, they get an extra measure of respect and appreciation from Rob's post.
 

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Thanx for that rundown Rob. To add, these workers are struggling to perform in a non-functioning plant without power, lights are out, air systems are down and I'm sure these air (scrub) systems are critical to safely remove the containment suits you spoke of. This would also increase the stress. I really think, much like the pilots, these workers realize their demise and are just unloading as much ammo that they can being on the front lines. These folks are true heros! God help them.


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I "heard" that there are 180 (typical of the news) of them and they rotate every 15 minutes, nonetheless, repeated exposure to the gamma radiation, despite all the safety gear, will eventually kill them and they are fully aware of it. Supposedly, they comprise of plant workers, fire fighters and soldiers of the JSDF. They all have a bigger set of balls than I do.
 

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I "heard" that there are 180 (typical of the news) of them and they rotate every 15 minutes, nonetheless, repeated exposure to the gamma radiation, despite all the safety gear, will eventually kill them and they are fully aware of it. Supposedly, they comprise of plant workers, fire fighters and soldiers of the JSDF. They all have a bigger set of balls than I do.
I heard they company was asking the older workers to volunteer... Because they'd have fewer years left in their normal lifespan before cancer might take them...

And Thanks Rob, very enlightening. Everyone speculates, everyone wonders why they don't just get in there and do something... but there's really alot more to it...


Another issue I imaging they are having trouble with, is all the debris strewn about. Not just the typical tsunami crap, but look at the debris from the reactor explosions... So you not only have to figure which route you are going to take, but that route might be completely different than what they trained for... and how do you clear that debris out of the way in a "delicate" suit???


As a side note, look at all the abandoed cars after the tsunami... People can't find gas, yet those vehicles probably have lots of good gas in their tanks... Start syphoning!
 

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if the workers are in there for 15 minute per person, and they are using tyvex, they are screwed no matter what from the gamma. time distance and shielding is how you combat alpha beta and gamma. they are not abiding by any of these. these are all last ditch efforts that they are trying. they tried all these in chernobyl. they better come up with something better to solve this other than fire dept water canons. its like putting out a fire with a squirt gun. these guys are the walking dead depending on how much and what kind of radiation is in the air..

BTW, i think these guys going in are pretty brave!. i think they know what there future holds by doing this and that they take pride in their country. i will be praying for them.
 

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This is like Chernobyl where many volunteered to build the sarcophagus around the melted reactor. A number of them died slowly over the next two years. They got very overexposed.
I told my wife that every country has these type of men; that would volunteer at the possibility of an unpleasant death, to assure that the rest of the society could be safe.
She asked if I really believed that. I told her yes, that I know that as an absolute fact.

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How is posting here going to help them? :confused:
Common Dean. Posting here helps everyone.:Dl:)

Seriously though, they make it sound like its a ticking time bomb thats about to go off. Maybe thats the case if they dont do something about it, I dont know. Its hard to tell if its an exaggeration of how bad the leak is or they dont really know. But they know the radiation levels are dangerous though, so there must be some sort of urgency to fix the problem.
 

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This is like Chernobyl where many volunteered to build the sarcophagus around the melted reactor. A number of them died slowly over the next two years. They got very overexposed.
I told my wife that every country has these type of men; that would volunteer at the possibility of an unpleasant death, to assure that the rest of the society could be safe.
She asked if I really believed that. I told her yes, that I know that as an absolute fact.

Ron
ron, I think chernobyl was a different story since those guys didnt volunteer. in fact, they didnt even know what they were dealing with until they saw people start suffering from radiation sickness.
 

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This is like Chernobyl where many volunteered to build the sarcophagus around the melted reactor. A number of them died slowly over the next two years. They got very overexposed.
I told my wife that every country has these type of men; that would volunteer at the possibility of an unpleasant death, to assure that the rest of the society could be safe.
She asked if I really believed that. I told her yes, that I know that as an absolute fact.

Ron
Before having kids, I probably wouldn't have believed that either... something about being a father has changed my entire outlook on the value I place on my own life. I take fewer unnecessary risks now, but I'd give up my own life for my kids without a 2nd thought.

I'd bet most of the guys who volunteered to stay are fathers.
 
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