:thumbsup: try taking your rib's , long or short , stick-em in the crockpot on low for 4 to 5 hr's , take them out , baste with your favourite sauce and cook them on the grill for about 5 to 10 min . it's the lazy man's way , but their the most tender , fall off the bone rib's ever . i put garlic , onion , chili pepper spice & italian seasoning in the crock pot . a little red wine sometimes . try this burger ; don't tell your guest's what's in it . it was one of the favourite's when i had my bar & grill . take two flattened burger pattie's , put a whole pineapple ring , a thin slice of peach , chili or pepper , swiss or other white cheese , a little sweet & sour sauce , or your favourite , now ; squeeze around the outside like a pie , sealing it , bake in the oven just until brown , take em out , toss them on the b.b.q to grill . now your guest's are going to ask you ; where's the cat**** , mustard , rellish , tomatoe & lettuce , tell em your all out , their ain't none , walk away & and i bet you here them call you a cheap son of a !!!!! . go back & tell em , take one bite , i'll guarantee they'll tell you it's the juiceiest mother they've ever sank their jawbreaker's into . think i'll try them asian style rib's buddy menthioned .tommy