well the most simple answer is what some one will pay for it. but what trouble me as buss. man ,if i take a rare car, rare meaning under 6000 produce muscle car. and restore it and it cost me 30,000 to do i should be able to sell it for that price or more, why because there not making anymore . why should people loss money on a growing hobby, expecly when the product is so limted. dont make sence. really i kept reading about these folk here complaning about the high cost of some of these cars am not talk about ultra rare cars. am talking about 30k to 60 k range cars. it cost folks at least 30k to restore that rare car why should they sell it for 18k why should they lose money.i know the market set the price but you all are the market. if you want these price to come down, pump up the supply built more rare cars . lol. or the hobby or collectors loss insterst and start dumping there cars but that only a short term correction. lastly tell all the restores to built your car for 50% less the going rate.
what is your classic car worth ?
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Well if you have been truely reading the posts
No one is upset that a True restored 70 SS396 is going for 35 or 40K
Now take the other road, your ALL about profit, So you make a few clones, Call them Real SS's and have a nice disclaimer, saying that people should do their own research " Very few can, or do " ,and of course, since you know damn well, that no one can tell a True 70SS without a buildsheet or a original engine you rob a few people, That my Dear Sir, is what we are bitching about
And I didnt mean you personally, I meant you as the bad dealers, ruining it for everyone
No one is upset that a True restored 70 SS396 is going for 35 or 40K
Now take the other road, your ALL about profit, So you make a few clones, Call them Real SS's and have a nice disclaimer, saying that people should do their own research " Very few can, or do " ,and of course, since you know damn well, that no one can tell a True 70SS without a buildsheet or a original engine you rob a few people, That my Dear Sir, is what we are bitching about
And I didnt mean you personally, I meant you as the bad dealers, ruining it for everyone
You say rare cars of under 6,000 produced. What is so rare about a '70 SS with a 396 (49,000 produced). I could honestly care less about the prices of restored ones. But when people get it stuck in their heads that their rust buckets are worth near that much thats when it pisses me off. That and people trying to pass off a clone as a true super sport.
clonning and passing as a real is wrong. i own a real ss my self gm of canada doc, in also own a 68 gto convertable. bottom line is clone or real if it cost 30 to 40 to restore one why cannt it be worth that. why would it be a crime to ask that money .if you built a home and it cost you 200k well. should i sell for 100k .and homes are not a rare at all,you can built as many as you want. thur out this country.
Ok you guys win
I have a 4 door olds cutlass with a 350 Non matching
I paid 750,000 to have it restored
Lets say we start the bidding at 1 million dollars
I mean I paid to have it done, why shouldent I get that much?
I have a 4 door olds cutlass with a 350 Non matching
I paid 750,000 to have it restored
Lets say we start the bidding at 1 million dollars
I mean I paid to have it done, why shouldent I get that much?
steve really your being a smart ass or you dont get it. steve the going rate from most restore shops around the usa is about 75.00 an hour plus materals for a good job around 25 to 40 k and most people do some of the work and some things they farm out just like if you were a builder of a home. now if you want to but newly restored muscle cars for 10,0000 go have it restored in china or mexico were labor cheap dude your from det. look what that mentally a done to mich.
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Could we have some pics of the Cutlass?
Time and time again I have seen real or imagined value keep people from driving and enjoying there cars.Ive spent way to much money on my chevelle and will continue to do so. I bought my first car because I liked it and drove it as much as I could.My chevelle has a perfectly good 402 that I'm going to replace with a 496 as soon as I can afford it! The only time I want to hear what someone else thinks my car is worth is when they are standing in front of me with cash.
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Who sells at a loss?
Nobody that I remember hearing of.
I think some people don't really have a clue as to just how much it costs to build a nice car nowdays, eithier that or the're stuck back in the 80's
AND it cost as much to build a so called "clone" as it does to build a non clone.
imho the days of the big price jump 300 to 1000 percent for good real cars gtos ss ect are over i mean 5 years ago you could of bought real 1970 ss 454 frame off for 12 to 15 k now there 50 to 70k. going foward some cars may get the real big jumps . but as a whole i think we will go up 5 to 20 percent some years and down 5 to 10 percent in other years. in other word the muscle car market will be good to fair . I DONT SEE A CORRECTION OF 30 TO 60 PERCENT ON GOOD REAL CARS OR WELL DONE CLONES IN THE 30 TO 60 price RANGE. the reason is the cost to retore these cars, and allso the hobby is really popular more popular than ever before. demand is strong supply limited. i just reminds of a guy i knew for 10 years he said i going to wait until the realestate market come crashing down then i will buy. well 10 years latter he was right but it would way cheap to buy 10 years ago.
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just my 2 cents i have a numbers matching 1972 ss 402 chevelle i got 6 yrs ago for 1,500 it needed everything rebuilt,replaced,restored, including qtr panels,fenders, the whole nine yards i have always loved chevelles, my first car was a 72 chevelle anyways im not able to restore the car to showroom quality like i want so i was just storing the car in my moms garage until my son talked me into looking for a resto shop i found one about 5 months ago i was shocked he said it would be 560 hrs labor at 65 per hour and appox 20,000 in parts i left quick , i planned on selling it but as i looked on evilbay and went on team chevelle i saw cars going for about that or less for 1972 chevelles i decided it would be smart to restore a true numbers matching 1972 ss 402 chevelle then get burned on a 1970 chevelle that had been decked and restamped, i know i will never see 60,000 for my chevelle when it is done but at least i have a true ss chevelle to pass down to my son and the car will be show quality, plus some of the cars where my chevelle is being restored them guys are spending 100,000 up to 250,000 to get what they want. i will post some of my pictures as car is being done they have the body off and are blasting the frame and body as i typ thank you guys for posting great topics, and all the help finding parts, mark
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You guys all need to read my quote at the end of Deans post!!!! At least all of you except for Steve, he has heard it from me enough!!!!! But seriously nb707, a classic car price is a very difficult thing to pin down. I have had people suggest to me that since I know quite a bit about them, why don't I go get my appraisers license. My answer to them is always very simple. I do not get paid to lie like that!!!!!! I am much happier as an authenticity expert, and just an adviser on price. Never put it down on paper. That way, I keep out of trouble. (or at least, I try!!!!) In the last 2 years, appraisal shelf life has been about ten minutes. Just about as long as it took buyer to find someone to pay more than that. Then how would I look?
Price has a lot of factors, and agreed, money spent on restoration is one factor, but quality of that money more important than quantity. And good car to start helps a lot. But any guess me or anyone else takes at value is only our opinion, and not always shared by everyone. The threads here no different, some value quality, numbers be damned, some value authenticity and de-value a clone. Some will never agree that any car is worth what they are bringing, even though right now, that is where the market is at. Proves we are all different, but at least we have one thing in common, love of Chevelles. Right?
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Price has a lot of factors, and agreed, money spent on restoration is one factor, but quality of that money more important than quantity. And good car to start helps a lot. But any guess me or anyone else takes at value is only our opinion, and not always shared by everyone. The threads here no different, some value quality, numbers be damned, some value authenticity and de-value a clone. Some will never agree that any car is worth what they are bringing, even though right now, that is where the market is at. Proves we are all different, but at least we have one thing in common, love of Chevelles. Right?
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Drinking and posting don't mix:sad:
Doesn't anyone proofread any more?
How can you respect a guys opinion when he doesn't care enough to write an intelligible sentence?
Are you related to chevyboy?
I'm serious.
People lose all the time, restorations blowout, paying a dealer too much, buying the wrong car, having to sell in a hurry for whatever reason and many people just don't do any homework and buy on impulse. It happens.
This is DEAD ON. My clone was NOT cheap and the only thing I didn't do is paint it. Why wouldn't I farm out the paint job after spending so much time getting everything else right? Parts are not cheap (well the good ones anyway), time is not cheap and that all adds up. Even without adding any labor dollars for my own time I've got over $30K (and counting) in it. Dean said it best in his post quoted above.
55K into mine without bodywork and I bought it right. I did all labor except engine rebuilt for 4K
Cosmetics and Nut and bolt correctness costs $$$$$$$$
Your 25K 70 454's are sweep dash hack Clone's at this point in the game.
Anybody who's actually built a super nice car Knows that and will spend the money for outstanding cosmetic detail and quality component usage as apposed to paying double for a numbers car in the same show quality.
Cosmetics and Nut and bolt correctness costs $$$$$$$$
Your 25K 70 454's are sweep dash hack Clone's at this point in the game.
Anybody who's actually built a super nice car Knows that and will spend the money for outstanding cosmetic detail and quality component usage as apposed to paying double for a numbers car in the same show quality.
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