Trustworthy or Not?
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What do you think and thats a HELL NO
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Doesn't even make sense to ask a question like that unless you want conformation to proceed with a possible shady deal.
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My first thought is, any car he has is suspect.
If you happen to be the one caught with a car with altered (or replaced) VIN plate you stand to lose the car and your money at the least. You could be charged with knowingly possessing.
Altering the VIN on a car is federal felony.
Yes, it apparently is done frequently.
It ain't worth it!
If you happen to be the one caught with a car with altered (or replaced) VIN plate you stand to lose the car and your money at the least. You could be charged with knowingly possessing.
Altering the VIN on a car is federal felony.
Yes, it apparently is done frequently.
It ain't worth it!
This is interesting. People get their panties all in a knot about matching numbers and custom made aftermarket paperwork and VIN numbers then someone asks a question like this? WTF?? Someone does business with a guy like this, gets hosed and then wonders what happened. WTF AGAIN!!!!
I for one could care less about matching numbers and "138" codes and all that stuff. It seems to me to be a silly quest and a invitation to get screwed when ya pay top dollar for originality.
On the other hand if someone is swapping around tags and titles then you can have an issue with the LAW. They frown on such things. If you actually buy a car with docs like that the sale is questionable...your money could be gone and the car could go back to a former owner if the car was at sometime stolen.
Suppose you buy a car from this clyde? If you are later selling the same car with a bogus VIN and matching title that were once loose you are risking getting in hot water with the law. Beyond that you could be risking the wrath of some buyer / wanna-be buyer "collector" who thought he got a real, genuine, authentic, honest to goodness car and later found out he did not.
Last but not least....consider all the endless hoopla we have to listen to about cloned cars around here. I have to wonder why anyone would even think about working with a guy who has "loose tags and matching titles".
This hobby gets crazier and crazier everyday. People are more and more nutty about originality and numbers and all that foolishness. Then at the same time we have someone wonder if a guy is trustworthy who talks about having "Loose tags and matching VINs"
AMAZING!
I never said anything about this person swapping VINs but I wonder how this thread will go after members read this post. I’ve been on this and various other sites for a few years and have seen quite a few people get bashed over the years for various reasons. Many other people claim, maybe rightfully so, to be experts and whatever they say goes. All they have to do is put up a smiley or frown face and the masses agree.
Every day on one site or another someone is complaining about illegal or immoral VIN and trim tag possession. Heated debates follow. The next day, more posts about another plate.
Check the following link and tell me what you think NOW. Specifically this part in quotes.
“That identical car was scrapped, but the P.O.P and both vin plates were held on to as well as it's original NC title (I have all).”
http://www.chevelles.com/feature/may99.html
Discuss.
Here is where I expect to be banned or the thread deleted.
Every day on one site or another someone is complaining about illegal or immoral VIN and trim tag possession. Heated debates follow. The next day, more posts about another plate.
Check the following link and tell me what you think NOW. Specifically this part in quotes.
“That identical car was scrapped, but the P.O.P and both vin plates were held on to as well as it's original NC title (I have all).”
http://www.chevelles.com/feature/may99.html
Discuss.
Here is where I expect to be banned or the thread deleted.
Eh. This guy says he's got an original car that's been restored, and that it's got a drivetrain out of a second car, the rest of which was scrapped, but that he's still got the VIN plate from the car that donated the drivetrain.
There's nothing wrong with keeping the plate and papers with the parts that came from the second car, as a sort of extra documentation, so long as you have no intention of creating another car with them (and so long as it was legal for the junk yard to scrap the car and let the owner keep them, but that's all long past, I'm sure). In fact, it even helps to prove that the drivetrain didn't come out of a stolen car.
Now, if he was offering to sell the drivetrain along with the VIN plate and papers, with a thought toward creating a new car (ie: possibly re-tagging a stolen car), that would be wrong.
- Eric
There's nothing wrong with keeping the plate and papers with the parts that came from the second car, as a sort of extra documentation, so long as you have no intention of creating another car with them (and so long as it was legal for the junk yard to scrap the car and let the owner keep them, but that's all long past, I'm sure). In fact, it even helps to prove that the drivetrain didn't come out of a stolen car.
Now, if he was offering to sell the drivetrain along with the VIN plate and papers, with a thought toward creating a new car (ie: possibly re-tagging a stolen car), that would be wrong.
- Eric
But there is something wrong. It is a federal offence to remove a VIN tag period! You can hold the title but removing a VIN is a no no. The car should be scrapped with it intact.
Threads might be deleted if they advocate some really inappropriate ideas. People hardly ever get banned. The only ones that come to mind are very abrasive/combative types like that bigblock guru from the east coast,or Ignitionman. PDQ67 got banned for some weir death threats. I think you are safe for now.
Not arguing, exactly, but quibbling a bit:
It is a federal crime to remove the tag.
However, if, let's say, the guy at the junk yard, or a previous owner removed it, then I don't think it's a crime for this guy to possess it.
I will admit I could be wrong, and maybe that's illegal, too, but I don't think so.
- Eric
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