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Identifying Muncie 4 Speeds II

Many people are always calling me or asking me at shows on how to identify Muncie 4 speeds. Not to many people actually know what type they have and most publications have done a good job of giving out wrong information. This includes performance parts books from GM as well as a multitude of poorly written "How To" articles in just about every car magazine around. One important point I'd like you to know is that most of the so called "Muncie Specialists" are in business because of me. Now with the use of my rebuild kits and knowledge you too can become a Muncie Specialist, and if your lucky a "Muncie King".


Several things are needed to identify a Muncie correctly. The first is a main case casting number. Second a count of the input shaft and output shaft splines and if any rings or grooves exist around the input shaft splines. Third are date codes and VIN numbers that help confirm that the above case and gears belong together. Tooth counts on the input shaft will help confirm a certain gear ratio, but you may not have access to this information if the transmission is still in the car or an unwilling vendor at a swap meet won't remove the cover.


Case casting numbers, relating production years and ratios available


Casting: 3831704 Years: 1963 Only Ratios: M20 2.56 1st , M21 2.20 1st
Casting: 3851325 Years: 1964 - 1965 Ratios: M20 2.56 1st , M21 2.20 1st
Casting: 3885010 Years: 1965 - 1967 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Casting: 3925660 Years: 1968 - 1970 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Casting: 3925661 Years: 1970 - 1974 Ratios: M20 2.52 1st , M21 2.20 1st, M22 2.20 1st
Ratios of the M20 , M21 , M22


Year 1963-1965 Type: M20 Rings: None Ratio: 2.56 / 1.91 / 1.48 / 1.00 / 3.16
Year 1966-1974 Type: M20 Rings: Two Ratio: 2.52 / 1.88 / 1.46 / 1.00 / 3.11
Year 1963-1974 Type: M21 Rings: One Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27
Year 1967-1974 Type: M22 Rings: None Ratio: 2.20 / 1.64 / 1.28 / 1.00 / 2.27
Input Shaft Tooth and Spline Count Related to Year


Year 1963-1965 Type: M20 Rings: None Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 24
Year 1966-1970 Type: M20 Rings: Two Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 21
Year 1970-1974 Type: M20 Rings: Two Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 21
Year 1963-1970 Type: M21 Rings: One Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1970-1974 Type: M21 Rings: One Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1967-1970 Type: M22 Rings: None Spline: 10 Tooth Count: 26
Year 1969-1974 Type: M22 Rings: None Spline: 26 Tooth Count: 26
Please note that there are 7 different Muncie input shafts. All 26 spline inputs came with 32 spline output shafts and all 10 spline inputs came with 27 spline output shafts. A common mistake is thinking that all "fine spline" 26 spline input shafts are M22 heavy duty types. This is not true. An M22 gearbox has a 20 degree helix angle on the gearset as opposed to a 45 degree angle. Also M22 gear sets were of a higher nickel alloy. The straighter angle was designed to produce less end loading of the gear train and less heat but created more noise, thus the nickname "rockcrusher". The higher nickel alloy allowed for more impact of the gears. Another misconception is if you have a drain plug you have an M22. Again this was only true when the first M22 boxes were created. But all 3925661 castings had drain plugs.


Reading Serial and VIN Numbers


Serial numbers for Muncie 4 speeds always begin with the letter "P". P stands for Muncie. Why.... I have no idea. The serial number is a date code the transmission was built for a particular year. Serial numbers from 1963 to 1966 included only the month and day. P0101 would indicate January 1st. From 1967 to 1968 the serial number got a year designator and a letter designator for the month such as P8A01, meaning January 1st 1968. One important point is that if you have a Muncie dated with a December build date it was actually built the prior year. An example would be the date code P8T13. This is for a 1968 production car. The T stands for December and 13 is the day. To confirm this simply look at the VIN number. It will usually begin with a 18S101350 or a 28N12950. This means the Muncie was assembled December 13, 1967 for the 1968 model year. The VIN number will usually be a low number. 1969 to 1974 Muncies got a ratio designator at the end of the serial number. An example would be P4D23B. This equates to April 23, 1974, M21 ratio.


Month Code Chart


January Letter: A May Letter: E September Letter: P
February Letter: B June Letter: H October Letter: R
March Letter: C July Letter: K November Letter: S
April Letter: D August Letter: M December Letter: T
Ratio Code Chart


Letter: A M20 Ratio
Letter: B M21 Ratio
Letter: C M22 Ratio
Important Notes


Some input shafts produced by the aftermarket and General Motors have no identifying rings on them. The rings originally corresponded with rings or grooves on the counter gear so that the assembler matched a one or two ring input with a one or two ring cluster. When manufacturing was stopped, GM stopped making inputs with these marks, probably to save machining operations. Also 3831704 and 3851325 castings come with a 7/8" counter shaft all others come with a 1 inch counter shaft. There are some odd ball castings out there produced in 1963 to 1966 years. I've left them out since they really are not common.

This is not my stuff, lifted from the internet, but real good stuff.
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Wally
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[This message has been edited by Wally (edited 08-11-99).]
 

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Bud,
For me, the fastest way to ID a Muncie is to look at the side cover.
A Muncie has 7 bolts and the top center bolt of the cover is raised up higher than the others which means the side cover itself has a raised bolt hole at the top center.
The Borg Warner T10s and Super T10s have a 9 bolt side cover, and the bolt pattern on the top of the side cover is in a straight line.

As I understand, your immediate need is to be able to look at a 4sp and determine whether or not it is a Muncie, right? The above is probably the easiest way for you to identify if it is or is not a Muncie.
After you determine that it is a Muncie, then the above post by Wally provides more details about the specifics of a Muncie.

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Are you trying to determine the transmission you have or just want a picture? If its a Munci it will have an aluminum case. DZAUTO's 7 bolt thing doesnt always work as the Saginaw cast irons also had 7 bolts. Munci's also have 5 shifter mounting holes (all tapped I believe) and the saginaws only have 3. Thats how you can tell wether its a munci. Use the info in the upper message to identify if its a wide/close ratio. Good luck.
 

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get ahold of gene chas,he just did a shifter and im sure it is still fresh in his mind.he will soon have pics here of his shifter redo.good day 67rat member #199
 
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