SWHEATON. THanks for the reply. My 2 friends and I built the engine. My one friend builds high performance engines for a living very successfully. This is another reason why we are pretty sure it has nothing to do with crank/rods or clearances with bearings or rod to cam or rod to block. We have adjusted the valves twice and still not much diff at all. I have listened with the stethoscope and this is the reason why i first condemned the fuel pump. So I replaced the pump and pushrod and still same thing. We are going a half a turn on the valve adjustment by the way. We also removed the belt to make sure it had nothing to do with the water pump or alternator. I find it coincidental that the sound is much louder with the pump in place than if we run it without the pump. The cam does run the pump so this is another thing that makes me think its the cam going for a dump but I also want to know what others think. Its a shame that the car runs so well but has this noise. I dont know how long it takes to kill a lobe but I would have figured with the few beatings I laid on the engine when I drove it I thought it should have been done by now. I may be wrong though. Another thought was if a lifter is not pumping up? Wouldnt this cause a running condition though?