Textron announces 70% price increase on all cast cores...
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helter skelter
How are greedy corporations somehow part of some sinister govt plot to go after cars? The simple explanation would be that Textron wanted to increase margins to appease shareholders and free up money for stock buybacks,etc. to further enrich executives and wealthy investors. Know your enemy.
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I told a buddy off mine during the lockdowns when they were dropping money from helicopters, it don't matter how much work you have or how good a roofer you are, if you have no shingles, same as every other roofer.
I've been buying camshafts for a couple two three years.
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I've been buying camshafts for a couple two three years.
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You can never have too many camshafts. I know where there's a 8620 core Cam Motion BBC camshaft I put in a 548, when a 548 was a relatively big engine in a Super Pro dragster. It made good power, I think I'll make a special trip today and get it. I've been meaning to do that, the price is right and it looks pristine. Big one.
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Don't worry they'll be combing their potemkin villages in their fossil fuel v8 powered limousines
I just got off the phone with Camshaft Machine Company, who we buy our hydraulic flat tappet cores from.
The increase in the raw castings they start with equals a $10 increase in the price they charge me for a semi-finished cam core(Everything is finish machined except for the lobes).
This means my flat tappet cam prices will increase $10.
Your lucky Mike, the 4 cam grinders I use are all paying much higher than that and Daniel Powell of Powell cams just posted in the Automotive Machinist Group his cost is up 50%....
Tell him to call CMC. They emailed me their new pricing, and the price went up exactly $10 per cam, when ordering 25 at a time. I don't buy the Ductile Iron Hydr roller cores, so I don't know what their prices are now.
Like I said earlier though, the 8620 steel cores I buy, just went up $50, and my lifters have doubled from pre-covid pricing. Hell, UPS has about doubled in the last 2 years.
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All this inflation and etc, has basically virtually pushed me out of the business as a consumer and Im looking at having to sell what all I have.
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The real problem is businesses moved all their production offshore a while ago, that killed all the small players in various industries across north america, since anyone who still made stuff here, couldn't compete with offshore cheap labor costs.
Now we are facing a situation where all small local players have either closed shop or retired without succession.
So who's left ? Just the big players who moved knowledge and production offshore and we are stuck, having to deal with those big players, who now call the shots, fix pricing and decide how the future of the industry will look like.
We sacrificed the great north american industries and local mom and pop shops for mail order chinese made parts and castings for a mere 30% cheaper price.. And now that we've given them the monopoly, they will jack the prices up, as high as they want, while quantity and quality will remain low...
Now, where a part is made, matters more than the name on the box.
Stop supporting any businesses that moved their production offshore.
Now we are facing a situation where all small local players have either closed shop or retired without succession.
So who's left ? Just the big players who moved knowledge and production offshore and we are stuck, having to deal with those big players, who now call the shots, fix pricing and decide how the future of the industry will look like.
We sacrificed the great north american industries and local mom and pop shops for mail order chinese made parts and castings for a mere 30% cheaper price.. And now that we've given them the monopoly, they will jack the prices up, as high as they want, while quantity and quality will remain low...
Now, where a part is made, matters more than the name on the box.
Stop supporting any businesses that moved their production offshore.
The 3 biggest cam core suppliers in the performance/racing parts industry are all US Companies, and make their cam cores in the U.S. The 2 largest suppliers, have been the 2 largest suppliers in the Industry since the 80's. It's inflation that's raising their prices. Higher wages, higher cost for raw materials, higher utility costs, higher machinery maintenance costs, and higher shipping costs.
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My point wasn't just about camshafts but pretty much the future of North American manufacturing in general.
But if we want to keep it close to the original subject, when respected companies like AFR start selling chinese castings as their entry level offerings in order to stay in business, you know things are upside down.
Most performance rods, pistons, cranks , heads etc are actually cast offshore now but still qualify as "Assembled in the USA" or "Made in the USA from domestic and imported parts" under the American FTC act. Because they are imported raw and machined here and sometimes VERY little machining is done here. This is just marketing BS to give North American buyers warm fuzzy feelings when buying offshore "stuff"
Lets refocus on camshafts only, if you look in this list of the big players in the global camshaft manufacturing business ,Ill let you guess how many are North American and then what percentage of their production is now done in china which counts over 300 camshaft casting/forging plants as we speak.
ThyssenKrupp
MAHLE
Kautex Textron (CWC)
Seojin Cam
Precision Camshafts
Linamar
Musashi Seimitsu
Zhongzhou Group
Federal-Mogul
Xiyuan Camshaft
Riken
ESTAS
LACO
Tongxin Machinery
Nippon Piston Ring
XILING Power
Shenglong
Schleicher Fahrzeugteile
Hejia Industry
This goes beyond manufacturing capabilities and job but more about intellectual property that you lose as soon as you get something made in china.
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I was just pointing out, that the price increases in the performance/racing cam market are not caused by work being shipped overseas. This is a home grown problem. Manufacturing going to China, has been going on for a long time. I was first approached by a Company in China to make cam cores for me, back in the 90's. The cam cores they showed me, where exact copies of the old Crane 8620 steel cores. You couldn't tell them apart, except for the price. I was never a big enough company to take that risk. It would just take one bad batch of 100 roller cores, to ruin my name and business.
You are correct about how bad Chinese manufacturing has hurt this industry, but at this time, the runaway US inflation is just as harmful, and may kill half of the smaller business in the industry.
You are correct about how bad Chinese manufacturing has hurt this industry, but at this time, the runaway US inflation is just as harmful, and may kill half of the smaller business in the industry.
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