[wookie]

From Chevellestuff.com.

"It is a proven fact that for 1969 the series/model designation is a trim level and not an indication of the engine type installed in the vehicle as Fisher Body didn't care what engine type was to be installed. One 1969 documented example is an Atlanta built 13427 300 2-Door Sedan trim tag style and a VIN of 13327."

So what do we have here?? I bought this as a roller and have the following information: It IS a Canada car per the cowl tag. So what gives with the rest of it? It is currently yellow with "SS396" emblems on the rear center below the trunk. I doubt it is really but ?????


Here's what I make of the tag and VIN. Can you correct me if I'm wrong and help with deciphering what this might be?

(The following codes are from Chevellestuff.com)

From the Cowl Tag:

Interior: 786 - Medium Green Ransom Cloth, Coated Fabric
Series/Model - 13637-39-69

Paint: 5959 Frost Green (solid color entire car)

VIN: 1332791328713
1 - Chevy
33 - 300 Deluxe, Chevelle, El Camino, 6-cylinder
27 - ????? (37=2 door sport coupe)
9 - 1969
1 - Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
328713 - production number

And what are the other codes?
5EC60M?

5E - May ???
C60 - A/C??
M?2 - (Looks like M22 I think)


Here's the tag:

And the car:

 

[SS69Chevelle]

The good thing is Canada Chevelles can get info on what they came with from the Vintage GM guys, sorry don't have the address on me right now, someone will help I'm sure. The M code doesn't look like M22 to me but I am not sure what it might be. appears the stamper was off abit with the build month stamp. if you get the info I'd be interested in knowing the outcome. take it easy Andy

 

[DaleM]

From Chevellestuff.com.

"It is a proven fact that for 1969 the series/model designation is a trim level and not an indication of the engine type installed in the vehicle as Fisher Body didn't care what engine type was to be installed. One 1969 documented example is an Atlanta built 13427 300 2-Door Sedan trim tag style and a VIN of 13327."

This holds true for any 64-72 Chevelle with some clarification. 1964, of course, used a different VIN (series/style) format as well as 1965 & 1966 Canada and the 1972 model year. The Fisher Body style number was different only in 1964 (roughly matched VIN format) and 1972 when the Fisher Body style continued with the 65-71 format. Two major exceptions to the rule are the 66-68 SS396 cars with their 13817/37/67/80 style vs. VIN since there were no 13717/37/67/80 (6-cyl SS) Chevelles those years. (There were 13835/45 series Concours wagons however but those tags are pretty rare to find.) The second exception is the 13857 Monte Carlo from 70-72. Again, no 6-cyl MC, so no 13757 tags.

All the mismatched tag styles vs. VIN styles appear to be where the tag will have an even 3rd digit while the VIN has as odd 3rd digit. I have never seen the reverse (e.g., a 13327 trim tag style and a 13427 VIN). The majority of those I've found are the 300/300 Deluxe series (131/132 and 133/134) but I do have several 135/136xx Malibu pairs as well. I even have one 13837 65 Malibu SS trim tag yet the VIN is 13737.

So what do we have here?? I bought this as a roller and have the following information: It IS a Canada car per the cowl tag. So what gives with the rest of it? It is currently yellow with "SS396" emblems on the rear center below the trunk. I doubt it is really but ?????

With a 13327 VIN, an SS optioned car is out of the question; plus the car was originally green as you noted.

Interior: 786 - Medium Green Ransom Cloth, Coated Fabric
Series/Model - 13637-39-69

Interesting to note the 786 being on a 133xx tag. Data of it being a Malibu series (136xx) code is from my U.S. parts book - maybe Canada extended the series to the 300 Deluxe. I'll make note of it on the site - thanks!

Paint: 5959 Frost Green (solid color entire car)

VIN: 1332791328713
1 - Chevy
33 - 300 Deluxe, Chevelle, El Camino, 6-cylinder
27 - ????? (37=2 door sport coupe)

27 body style is a 2-door sedan.

9 - 1969
1 - Oshawa, Ontario, Canada
328713 - production number

And what are the other codes?
5EC60M?

5E - May ???
C60 - A/C??
M?2 - (Looks like M22 I think)

You might be able to read the transmission RPO code better with the tag in hand but it looks like it could also be M35 which would be a Powerglide and probably more in tune with a 6-cyl car.

Here's the tag:

Thanks for sharing the data!

 

[SS69Chevelle]

Dale, I agree, it looks to be the M35. inverting the colors in paint shows what appears to be the lower portion of the 5 as compared to the 5 in the build week and the 3 seems to appear also. hope this helps Andy

 

[69396ss]

Is it me, or does it look a little strange that the bottom of the cowl tag is lifted up?

 

[RyanNilcea05]

Is it me, or does it look a little strange that the bottom of the cowl tag is lifted up?

Look at the metal underneath it.

 

[CRUZN69]

It has 300 deluxe taillight bezels.

 

[69396ss]

Look at the metal underneath it.

I'm not making accusations, I'm really just thinking out loud.

But, you'd almost think it would be molecularly sealed by now. Like trying to remove a rusted Nut. They don't seperate, they Bond. (Even though the tag is Aluminum, I wouldn't think it would be lifted)

Also, look at the left rivet. See the paint build up around it, yet perfectly seperated all around the rivet? Again, after 40 years, the paint coats Bond, not seperate.

To me, it looks like it has been removed at one time. (or at the very least, disturbed)

I'm not a CSI technician so don't take this as any type of an authoritive statement, it's just that if the cowl dosen't match the model of the car, and the date dosen't match the VIN sequence, those little observations turn into questions that have to be asked....And a possibility that has to at least be mentioned and explored.

The slight dent in the tag, originating from underneath and slightly dented upwards in the center, as if it's been pryed slightly, along with the incorrect stamping sequences on the tag, would make me at least question the possibility.

I would think it would be very difficult to cause an upwards dent, even a slight one, with the tag remaining attached to the cowl, without an upward prying motion.

Another question is the sanding marks on the Cowl tag, yet the surface where the Cowl is attached looks like 40 year Old Rust. As if it's never been sanded and repainted. (Why sand marks on the Cowl tag then?)

One way to help rule out the possibility is to take a flashlight and a small Mirror and look to see the rivets from underneath the cowl. If they are glued on or anything other than neatly crimped, it's a solid sign of tampering.

 

[Terry krook]

I talked to this Frank fellow at GM Canada a few years back and he was a heck of a nice guy and faxed me all the info on my Velle I was asking for. I see it is now just under 60 dollars but worth it if you really want to know.
Contact Us:
The phone number in Oshawa, Ontario Canada is:
George: 905-440-7636, Frank: 905-440-7618, and the general line is 905-440-7689
Inside Canada Toll free - 1-888-467-6853 from 7:30am to 5:00pm Eastern, Monday to Friday.

 

[copoman69]

i have one of these sedan and i have been told, body by fisher desinated the car to be a 6 clylinder and the factory change it to a v8 while it was on the factory floor, the v8 where selling better at the time also the 300s where plain jane the cheapest car you could order has far the the base model

 

[DaleM]

i have one of these sedan and i have been told, body by fisher desinated the car to be a 6 clylinder and the factory change it to a v8 while it was on the factory floor, the v8 where selling better at the time also the 300s where plain jane the cheapest car you could order has far the the base model

I think you got bad information. Fisher didn't care what engine engine was going into a car and nothing Fisher Body built had a bearing on the engine to be installed.

Each series/model had a base 6-cyl and a base V8 from the Chevrolet side of the plant. Depending on the engine and some options, the rest of the parts to be installed were geared to that end and put on the build sheet to get the correct parts installed. If the factory decided to build a V8 car from a 6-cyl car when it came time to install the engine into the chassis, there were all sorts of ancillary parts that would need to be changed on the fly as well. Take something as simple as the Powerglide. I don't have 68 specific data but in 67 there were no less than 7 different Powerglide assemblies; in 69 there were at least 6. All were dependant on the engine being installed.

To make an assembly line change from a 6-cyl to a V8 would entail massive changes in parts along the way; a radiator change would have to be made on the fly meaning hoses would be different, all engine pulleys lilsted on the build sheet would be different, exhaust pipes different... The list goes on an on the things that would need to be changed from the build sheet data, essentially making it worthless.

Assembly line workers needed to have the parts to put on the car as it came by, not running to bins to custom build a car if it differed from what the build sheet called for. :thumbsup:

 

[prefectca]

I'm not making accusations, I'm really just thinking out loud.

But, you'd almost think it would be molecularly sealed by now. Like trying to remove a rusted Nut. They don't seperate, they Bond. (Even though the tag is Aluminum, I wouldn't think it would be lifted)

Also, look at the left rivet. See the paint build up around it, yet perfectly seperated all around the rivet? Again, after 40 years, the paint coats Bond, not seperate.

To me, it looks like it has been removed at one time. (or at the very least, disturbed)

I'm not a CSI technician so don't take this as any type of an authoritive statement, it's just that if the cowl dosen't match the model of the car, and the date dosen't match the VIN sequence, those little observations turn into questions that have to be asked....And a possibility that has to at least be mentioned and explored.

The slight dent in the tag, originating from underneath and slightly dented upwards in the center, as if it's been pryed slightly, along with the incorrect stamping sequences on the tag, would make me at least question the possibility.

I would think it would be very difficult to cause an upwards dent, even a slight one, with the tag remaining attached to the cowl, without an upward prying motion.

Another question is the sanding marks on the Cowl tag, yet the surface where the Cowl is attached looks like 40 year Old Rust. As if it's never been sanded and repainted. (Why sand marks on the Cowl tag then?)

One way to help rule out the possibility is to take a flashlight and a small Mirror and look to see the rivets from underneath the cowl. If they are glued on or anything other than neatly crimped, it's a solid sign of tampering.

I have had several 70 Chevelles over the years and the cowl tag was damaged in a similar way as the one pictured. The rubber bumper on the hood rubs across the tag when the hood is opened or closed, eventually damaging the tag. One car I owned actually had one rivet missing from the tag due to the hood bumper. These were old Malibus, not collectible at all. Thirty years ago they were just old cars.

Paul

 

[Terry krook]

I have had several 70 Chevelles over the years and the cowl tag was damaged in a similar way as the one pictured. The rubber bumper on the hood rubs across the tag when the hood is opened or closed, eventually damaging the tag. One car I owned actually had one rivet missing from the tag due to the hood bumper. These were old Malibus, not collectible at all. Thirty years ago they were just old cars.

Paul

And 30 years later, we are just old men! LOL

 

[wookie]

And 30 years later, we are just old men! LOL

Eh? What'd you say sonny??

 

[CRUZN69]

It's still a 300 deluxe

 

[wookie]

I'm not making accusations, I'm really just thinking out loud.

But, you'd almost think it would be molecularly sealed by now. Like trying to remove a rusted Nut. They don't seperate, they Bond. (Even though the tag is Aluminum, I wouldn't think it would be lifted)

Also, look at the left rivet. See the paint build up around it, yet perfectly seperated all around the rivet? Again, after 40 years, the paint coats Bond, not seperate.

To me, it looks like it has been removed at one time. (or at the very least, disturbed)

I'm not a CSI technician so don't take this as any type of an authoritive statement, it's just that if the cowl dosen't match the model of the car, and the date dosen't match the VIN sequence, those little observations turn into questions that have to be asked....And a possibility that has to at least be mentioned and explored.

The slight dent in the tag, originating from underneath and slightly dented upwards in the center, as if it's been pryed slightly, along with the incorrect stamping sequences on the tag, would make me at least question the possibility.

I would think it would be very difficult to cause an upwards dent, even a slight one, with the tag remaining attached to the cowl, without an upward prying motion.

Another question is the sanding marks on the Cowl tag, yet the surface where the Cowl is attached looks like 40 year Old Rust. As if it's never been sanded and repainted. (Why sand marks on the Cowl tag then?)

One way to help rule out the possibility is to take a flashlight and a small Mirror and look to see the rivets from underneath the cowl. If they are glued on or anything other than neatly crimped, it's a solid sign of tampering.

 

[136679ss]

this one's simple. The rear cove has NO evidence of trim holes punched for the MANDATORY rear upper and lower aluminum trim pieces found on ALL SS and Malibu cars.
End of story, move along, nothing to see here.

 

[69396ss]

It's a Conspiracy! My Cowl tag Looks distorted.

Ok, Ok. Nevermind

 

[wookie]

Ok, Ok. Nevermind

Sorry, not a pick at you, I just love Dave Chappelles' charactor in "Undercover Brother". He is always paranoid and thinking of conspiracy stuff, and he cracks me up. That was the first thing I thought of when I read your post. Thanks for the concern though! Sounds like a good bunch of peeps here, just like over at Nasty Z28.com

PS Love the garage and the 70SS!!

 

[69396ss]

Here's another one from the "Under Cover Brother"

The last Documented VIN out of Oshawa in May was 327938

Your Cowl tag States 5E (Fifth Week of may)

Yet your VIN 328713 Suggests an Edit: JUNE Built Car.