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I don't have my wireless secured.
Do I care if a neighbor uses it?
Does it really slow me down if someone else is on it?

I have my home networking and both routers so screwed up that I have to turn off my wireless router and turn it back on a lot to get it to work.
Sometimes I'm too lazy to go downstairs and do that, I just log onto someone else's wireless.
(I don't know who the one I log onto belongs to.)

I don't understand the networking path at all.
one computer works online for a while, then it has to be shut down and restarted again.
Another computer can see all the others but they can't see it and none of the other six that are on the wired router can see the laptop that's on the wireless.

I guess I'm going to have to hire someone that knows what they are doing to straighten out this mess. :(
 

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I could just picture Dean all frustrated ready to toss the computer out the window.
Here is Dean now.
 

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Dean,
You don't seem to be to upset with the situation. I would wait awhile before doing anything. Who knows... It might fix itself if you wait and wait and wait.
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Dean,

My first thought was why do you have two routers? Maybe your terminology is just off and you have one router and one access point. But if they are both routers, or if one is combination router/access point and you also have a stand-alone access point (or some other combination) then that could be the problem.

As for the why of securing your network, well- some people will do all kinds of things on others wireless from downloading pirated software to using your computers as spam/porn servers. The main reason hackers do this is so all that activity is then tracked back to your IP address and you get the finger pointed at you while they walk away.

All of this is strictly my opinion but if you trust your neighbors then it's a small issue. The chances that a real hacker is going to be concerned with your wireless network at home are slim but if they really want to get in, they will, WEP enabled or not.
 

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Dean,

My first thought was why do you have two routers? Maybe your terminology is just off and you have one router and one access point. But if they are both routers, or if one is combination router/access point and you also have a stand-alone access point (or some other combination) then that could be the problem.

Yes, definitely if you have two routers, get rid of one. Routers have to translate IP numbers, and each time you do that, you add complexity and lose reliability.

And, as far as your question about caring if others use your connection. Think what will happen if one of your "guest users" is a pedophile and is surfing for child pornography. All that traffic goes to your router, and your IP. So, when the authorities go looking for the offender, they arrest you, and you have no way to prove otherwise.
Lock down your wireless, or dump it completely and go wired. Your future could depend on it.
 

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Dean,
My first thought was why do you have two routers?
I guess because I don't know what I'm doing so I don't know any other way to do it. :D

I only had one 8-port Linksys router at first,




and then I bartered for a new laptop (another mistake :eek:) and with it came a new Linksys wireless router, which has 5 ports for ??

For a long time I never used the wireless router for anything, then one day I thought, "it would be handy to be able to set on the couch, watch TV and surf Team Chevelle".
I took it out of the box plugged in a cat 5 cable from one of the ports on the wired router to its "WAN" port.



Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. :confused:

A lot of days there are several of my nieces, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids over and they have 3 or 4 computers online at once.
Barbara's computer is only used for the company business and really could get by without being connected except that it makes an easy way to make several backups.
(She won't even do email) :(

IF anyone were to log onto my wireless, it would have to be someone in range, right? (one of my neighbors)
I guess I would like to make it secure but I don't know how to do it.
Would it make my computer(s) slower IF someone else were to log onto my wireless?

Can I use the 5 ports on the back of the wireless router to plug in 5 computers?
One of the ports says "uplink".

The way I have it now, the one on wireless cannot see any of the others on the network.

Like I said, I don't get what the network path is. :confused:

I wish one of you guys lived in Kansas City. :D
 

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Dean,


As for the why of securing your network, well- some people will do all kinds of things on others wireless from downloading pirated software to using your computers as spam/porn servers. The main reason hackers do this is so all that activity is then tracked back to your IP address and you get the finger pointed at you while they walk away.
I thought your serial number from your motherboard was also sent w/ your IP address? IIRC

Wouldn't that be your proof?
 

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Dean,there's your problem. I'm lucky that I have a son who is a computer geek!:hurray:
Well, I'm lucky too Chris, my #1 son can fix my air-conditioner or furnace or plumbing or electrical, as well a my vehicles plus supply horses for me to ride.

I had to replace one of my dusk to dawn lights the other day and couldn't because of getting dizzy when I tilt my head back to look up so my son did it for me.

I have this Vertigo stuff and can't get under cars anymore without getting nauseated so my #2 son cuts the gas tanks and converters off of the vehicles going to the shredder for me.

Now I'm waiting for one of them to get under my suburban and replace a leaking PS hose.

I guess I need one more son that does computers. :D
 

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Dean I will answer this one for you:
Would it make my computer(s) slower IF someone else were to log onto my wireless?

Yes it will make you lagg if the person using your bandwidth downloading lots of pictures and downloading porn movies and streaming video.
And using programs that fetch all they post on the news groups.
 

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I guess because I don't know what I'm doing so I don't know any other way to do it. :D

I only had one 8-port Linksys router at first,




and then I bartered for a new laptop (another mistake :eek:) and with it came a new Linksys wireless router, which has 5 ports for ??

For a long time I never used the wireless router for anything, then one day I thought, "it would be handy to be able to set on the couch, watch TV and surf Team Chevelle".
I took it out of the box plugged in a cat 5 cable from one of the ports on the wired router to its "WAN" port.



Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. :confused:

A lot of days there are several of my nieces, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids over and they have 3 or 4 computers online at once.
Barbara's computer is only used for the company business and really could get by without being connected except that it makes an easy way to make several backups.
(She won't even do email) :(

IF anyone were to log onto my wireless, it would have to be someone in range, right? (one of my neighbors)
I guess I would like to make it secure but I don't know how to do it.
Would it make my computer(s) slower IF someone else were to log onto my wireless?

Can I use the 5 ports on the back of the wireless router to plug in 5 computers?
One of the ports says "uplink".

The way I have it now, the one on wireless cannot see any of the others on the network.

Like I said, I don't get what the network path is. :confused:

I wish one of you guys lived in Kansas City. :D

Yep, thats exactly what I thought might be goin on here :yes: you have two routers on the same network... and when configured properly this is not an issue but more than likely they have the default settings which would explain why sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't...

without getting into a complicated explanation of TCP/IP and computer networking: the two routers are attempting to perform an identical function (and probably on the same address) and they're bumping heads.

The one computer that uses the wireless cant see any of the others because it is essentially on it's own network.

But you're in luck. I just happen to do this stuff for a living.

If you have DSL there are additional steps to configure the router and if you take it apart now you'll have no internet until you input specific information into said router.

If you have cable internet then it's basically plug it in & go.

Your connection path will go from your DSL or cable modem and connect to the "Uplink" port on the wireless router. From there you can hang a switch (instead of the wired router) to split your connections. I have a 5 port switch laying around here somewhere. If you want it, you're welcome to it.

PM me if you're interested in getting this fixed up proper.:thumbsup:
 

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I have the Road Runner cable modem feeding the wired router.
Should be from the outlet of the cable modem to the "uplink" port on the wireless hu?
What are the other 5 ports on it for?
The first one (I'm plugged into) is by itself

Maybe you can walk me through improving the situation ??
I sure would appreciate it. :hurray: :hurray:

I don't mind running out to the computer store and buying what ever I need.
I'll have to look up what a 5 port switch is. :confused:

Thanks Rock !
AND everyone else !
 

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Oh, OK, I see what a 5 port switch is now.
dhuuu :eek: My CRS is SO bad, I had forgotten.

Funny, a while back I thought my router had gone bad so I ran out to Micro Center and bought a new one (I thought) but when I got home and took it out of the box it was a 5 port switch.
Later I hooked it up to my granddaughters computer thinking maybe it would act as a firewall because she kept getting a bunch of junk on her computer.
Don't know if that helped or not but it seems to be working, however I gave her another computer at the same time.

I can get it back or just go out and get another one.
 

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I thought your serial number from your motherboard was also sent w/ your IP address? IIRC

Wouldn't that be your proof?
Motherboards don't have a serial number to send when networking. Your network card will have a MAC address that gets sent, but it is very easy to change network cards from one machine to another, or even to use multiple network cards in the same machine.
So, if something illegal goes through your router and internet connection, the authorities will show up at your door with a search warrant for your premises, not those of your neighbors. To assure that you don't own a network card with the offending MAC address, they will have to tear apart your entire house, garage, and anywhere else you might be able to hide the missing computer or network card with the number they are looking for. There is also a likelihood they will search your vehicles, and even possibly your place of employment to find it.
Once they determine that you don't have it, they can get more search warrants and look elsewhere, but the damage would be done to you at that point.
It is much easier to read the instruction manual for your wireless router and set up some security. Or, simply toss out the wireless router and connect your computers with wire. Nobody will be riding free on your wired system.
 

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Dean,

No need to do all that man. Disconnnect all the patch cords from the wired router and pull it outa there. Plug the cable coming from the cable modem into the uplink port on the wireless router and use the 5 remaining ports for your other computers. Cycle power on the router and all should be good and your connection issues shuold be gone.

Enabling security is a bit more involved but if you can tell me the model of your wireless router I can draft up some instructions.
 

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From the looks of things he doesn't have enough ports on the wireless router to move all his wired connections over to it. Easiest thing is to go into wireless router and reconfigure it to be an access point instead of a router. That will solve the problem of multiple routers and all PC's will be on the same network. Second thing is turn on WEP encryption on the wireless router and the wireless PC's, that will secure the network from outside access.
 

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At first I did not think the problem was that big,just a slow computer.After seeing these threads,I see it's a big problem.I have had to turn my router on and off so many times I can't count and then hook a 60 foot cable to the router and my computer to jump start my computer.My wife is a school teacher and could loose her job over this wire less.There is to much info in my wifes computer to stay wireless.I am going back to a cable on both computers.I dont like the idea of running a cable through the dinning room,living room,up the steps and into the den but what else can I do to keep our computers safe?Can I remove the antanna from the back of the router and just use the cable?These have been great threads and I thank everyone
 

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I dont like the idea of running a cable through the dinning room,living room,up the steps and into the den but what else can I do to keep our computers safe?Can I remove the antanna from the back of the router and just use the cable?These have been great threads and I thank everyone
Find your instruction book for the router. Every wireless router I've seen has the option to turn off the wireless section using the software inside it. You don't need to remove the antenna. There most likely is even an LED on the front of the router to indicate if you have the wireless turned on or off.
I fished Cat 5 cabling through the walls of my house and wired each room with an RJ45 jack for wired network so I can have a computer in each room if I choose. I even ran one outside and underground through my conduit to my garage. You already probably have phone jacks in each room, so you can follow the same path with the Cat 5 wire through the walls.
Wired internet gives RELIABILITY that wireless will never give. I have not had to turn off my router even once to restart it in over 3 years. It just works 100% of the time. Every computer connected to it works 100% of the time without ever rebooting them to get a connection working, but I also do a few other things differently from most people. All my computers are assigned static IP numbers. I have DHCP turned off in my router so it isn't eating up bandwidth trying to assign dynamic IPs to computers and confusing them.
 

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I guess because I don't know what I'm doing so I don't know any other way to do it. :D

I only had one 8-port Linksys router at first,




and then I bartered for a new laptop (another mistake :eek:) and with it came a new Linksys wireless router, which has 5 ports for ??

For a long time I never used the wireless router for anything, then one day I thought, "it would be handy to be able to set on the couch, watch TV and surf Team Chevelle".
I took it out of the box plugged in a cat 5 cable from one of the ports on the wired router to its "WAN" port.



Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. :confused:

A lot of days there are several of my nieces, nephews, grandkids and great grandkids over and they have 3 or 4 computers online at once.
Barbara's computer is only used for the company business and really could get by without being connected except that it makes an easy way to make several backups.
(She won't even do email) :(

IF anyone were to log onto my wireless, it would have to be someone in range, right? (one of my neighbors)
I guess I would like to make it secure but I don't know how to do it.
Would it make my computer(s) slower IF someone else were to log onto my wireless?

Can I use the 5 ports on the back of the wireless router to plug in 5 computers?
One of the ports says "uplink".

The way I have it now, the one on wireless cannot see any of the others on the network.

Like I said, I don't get what the network path is. :confused:

I wish one of you guys lived in Kansas City. :D

Dean
99% of your problems are most likely routher #2. Ditch it and buy A Linksys Wireless access point. These will LOOK LIKE a router but will only have one port on the back
 

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Dean
99% of your problems are most likely routher #2. Ditch it and buy A Linksys Wireless access point. These will LOOK LIKE a router but will only have one port on the back
Most wireless routers can be configured to be an access point only. No reason to dump the wireless router he has unless it can't be used as an access point only.

Other option is to use the wireless router and hang a multiport switch off it to replace the hardwired only router he currently he has. That will provide the number of hardwired connections he needs while still have only one router in the network.
 
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