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So here's the lowdown. 1972 Chevelle four door, 307 engine w/auto trans.

Had a four barrel Holley 570cfm carb and new edelbrock performer intake sitting on the shelf for almost two years waiting for something to go wrong with my factory 2 barrel rochester. A couple of weeks ago it finally happened, I went to fire the thing up and the rochester was spewing fuel out of every crack and orifice it had, finally time to do the swap and switch to HEI at the same time.

After finding TDC (checking to make sure air was coming out of cylinder 1 as well) and making sure the original distributor was pointing to #1 on the cap I tore everything apart for the swap. HAd my buddy come over to help put everything in. Picked up GM Performance parts (MADE IN TAIWAN?) HEI distributor and installed, along with new plugs regapped to 045" and new MSD streetfire plug wires.

Ran wire from fuse block where resistance wire was on engine compartment side and went to fire up and nothing. (later find out that we need to hook up directly from IGN inside cabin side?) Hooked up carb and distributor direct to battery and still nothing, check for spark and distributor not putting out spark even connected direct to 12V. Determine we have faulty coil in distributor. SEnt back to Summit for refund and pick up MSD streetfire HEI locally.

(reset TDC)

Hooked up the MSD HEI and also reran wire from IGN inside car fuseblock. Tried to fire up, nothing still, now getting spark, also getting fuel, carb seems to be doing what it's supposed to but still won't fire up.

Double and triple check my spark plug wires and they appear to be correct. This is the current hook up I have looking at the distributor from the top and front of the car;

3 6
4 5
8 7
1 2

On the engine;

8 7
6 5
4 3
2 1

Apart from checking compression on the engine (which is my next step) is there anything anyone would recommend to check? The voltage both at the carb and distributor at crank seem to be 9.5 Volts, I even hooked up the new MSD setup directly to the battery and my cranking voltage at the carb and distributor is only 10.something volts?? Is there something obvious I am missing?

HEre's a snapshot of my setup in the works;

 

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You cranked the engine with no spark. First Guess: The spark plugs are now fouled. Pull 'em out, hit 'em with a PROPANE torch to burn off the fuel. (Acetyline and MAPP gas are too hot)

Yeah, wouldn't hurt to verify the distributor rotor isn't 180 degrees off. TDC Exhaust is not the same as TDC Compression.
 

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Hard to fix over the computer but if you switched out the resister wire and went to the same spot that shouldnt be a problem.To be certain you are on tdc compression you can remove valve cover and watch rockers tdc compression both valves will be closed,tdc exh exhaust valve will be open.Establish tdc compression set cap on make mark on dist body at #1 terminal remove cap set dist w rotor pointing to #1 mark.Of course you may have to use a long screwdriver to turn oil pump a little to get it to all go together.Hard to see your wire routing but I prefer to use the terminal on the front drivers side for #1.Also be sure that dist is set so tjhat you can still have rotation w out vac canister hitting anything.Let us know how it goes.:thumbsup:
 

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Here's a pic with the spark plug #'s called out on the distributor. Am I off one? HAven't had a chance today to get out there yet.



Schurkey i'll pull the plugs out and clean em up!
The firing order is correct and the actual terminal where it starts can be anywhere I think w the older point ign it was as you show but with the right angle hei boot the back two work out cleaner(putting #1 where your #2 is) going to their respective side of engine.Really doesnt mater though.But getting the rotor to #1 on tdc compression is the important part.
 

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Looking at that picture, and your original post, I'd say you are off by one terminalYour #1 plug wire appears to go to the #2 cylinder.
This will not work IF you had you had the #1 cylinder set at TDC compression.


EDIT: I could be wrong here. You might clarify again which cylinder was at TDC when you dropped the new distributor, and where the rotor was pointing when you dropped it in.
 

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The firing order is correct and the actual terminal where it starts can be anywhere ...But getting the rotor to #1 on tdc compression is the important part.
What he said. In essence...whatever cylinder is at TDC compression when you stab the distributor, that cylinder/plug must go to whatever terminal the rotor is pointing at. The rest is easy.
 

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#1 should be the second terminal over from the square connector block on the cap.

 

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Schurky thanks a bunch for that pic! Almost didn't tackle this car today but was determined to do something!

Reconnected the plug wires at the dist cap, after putting it back to "supposed" TDC (according to me) and pulling the dist cap off I could see the rotor was WAAAAY off, so my fault (actually i'll blame the cheapo GM parts dist. for having a bad coil pack, yea that's it...) so I pulled the distributor and reinstalled to the new plug wire orientation. Pulled all my spark plugs and cleaned/blew off and made sure no fuel was left on and cleaned up with a heat gun. Reinstalled, double and triple checked again and said WTF here goes... and it fired right up! Sounds so sweet and amazing!! Let it warm up for a bit and messed with the idle (and timing on dist) now i'm off to the autoparts to get oil for an oil change, some coolant, and a new air filter cleaner assembly!!!

Thanks everyone for the help!!
 

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:DGood news!!Thanks for letting us know.The key is not to get frustrated(easier said than done)think it out,double check and its usually something stupid!
 

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I don't let it get to me, thankfully (?) I have another project in the garage, when one is not going the way I want, i'll fiddle with the other, it's when they both start giving me trouble that it's not so good!

Another question, you guys with the HEI find that the 14" air cleaner comes awefully close to the plug wires on the cap?
 

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I ran an edelbrock 14 in open element air cleaner w hei on my car for 7months no problems?
 

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Yup, worked great, just close to the HEI. I got the Holley 14" chrome air cleaner (wanted the black but they didn't have it locally!) Now just messing around with the timing and idle. Need to take pics of it all done!
 

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So just one picture of it done. Thanks again guys for all the input! Am very happy with the results! One of my heater hoses decided to start squirting my headers so I replaced those today too!
 
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