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What a shame that the EPA bureaucrats and insurance corporation thieves destroyed the muscle car industry during the late 60's/early 70's, just prior to GM fitting their A Body cars with monsters like the GTO Ram Air 5, Buick GSX Stage II and Chevelle SS LS7. And just when the General was getting a clue and fitting their cars with variable Ratio PS, as well as standard power disc brakes and F41 suspensions. Who knows what they would have come up with during the 1970's if the government/insurance industry conspiracy hadn't killed the muscle car off.
 

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What a shame that the EPA bureaucrats and insurance corporation thieves destroyed the muscle car industry during the late 60's/early 70's, just prior to GM fitting their A Body cars with monsters like the GTO Ram Air 5, Buick GSX Stage II and Chevelle SS LS7. And just when the General was getting a clue and fitting their cars with variable Ratio PS, as well as standard power disc brakes and F41 suspensions. Who knows what they would have come up with during the 1970's if the government/insurance industry conspiracy hadn't killed the muscle car off.
It does make one wonder - what could have been...
12.5:1, leaded-fuel burning, solid cam, 4-speed, big block monsters, ripping off 11-12 second ¼ mi. times with ease.

If you could then see into the future, to today, would you believe what you are seeing? Doubtful.
If you could see the 0-60 times, ¼ mi. times, would you believe what you are seeing? Doubtful.

If you could also see those same cars getting to the end of a ¼ mile long straightaway, turning left with 1.2g and accelerating with eyeball flattening speed to the next turn, braking, as if an anchor was weighed, and doing it again and again, in record time, around a road course that is regarded as the standard bearer of test courses throughout the world, (Nurburgring) and do it all while also being able to achieve 20+ MPG on the highway (using 91/93 octane unleaded fuel) without changing: jets, points, rear gears, etc.would you believe what you are seeing?

Doubtful.

The heyday of the muscle car era is awesome, certainly and without dispute, but without those "bureaucratic conspiracies" the automakers would not have been forced (yes, forced) to adapt to the changing times, would not have been forced to evolve their thinking and engineering to come up with the amazing cars they have in the last 20 years.
Would we have the LS3/7/9/X, LT4/5/2, (or the Coyote or HEMI)? Possibly, but doubtful.
Would we have the ZL1 Camaros or Corvettes? Or the C8? Possibly, but doubtful.

It's easy to look back, longingly at the sheer power those cars had available, the styling they had (and will never be able to achieve again IMO) - But to dismiss the efforts of the EPA (and others) to bring the emissions under control as "bureaucratic conspiracies" that killed the muscle car is denying the fact that they brought about the new muscle car era that we can enjoy now.

I am, as much as (or more than) anyone I know, an advocate for big blocks and lopey cams - my dad and I didn't even hesitate to put a BB into his car - but it is impossible to deny the amount of power (and MPG) that the LS/LT engines are able to produce.
Nevermind the amount of innovation in suspension and braking systems, that most of us will drool over, that we can now easily adapt into our "old" cars, that will turn them into machines that will rival, if not exceed the performance of those new cars, if we so choose.

We can now have the very best of BOTH worlds.
The looks and styling of the 60's and 70's (and 30's, 40's and 50's) and the handling, braking, transmissions and engines of today.

I say, the new muscle car era makes the old muscle car era look like going back to the horse and buggy...
 

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To each their own, Duke, but I have no desire to own one of today's 4-wheeled computers, nor will I EVER install a computer-enhanced engine into one of yesterday's beautiful and unique muscle cars.
 

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Sorry, Duke, I should have responded to Dad's 72 Malibu.
 

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To each their own, Duke, but I have no desire to own one of today's 4-wheeled computers, nor will I EVER install a computer-enhanced engine into one of yesterday's beautiful and unique muscle cars.
Yes. To each their own, Ralph.

That is the beauty of the sport/hobby, enjoy it, no matter what your favorite flavor.
 

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I can see both sides of the coin with modern engines in old cars and keeping the original type engines in them too, in my case it's what I grew up with and to me my old car is a reminder of yesteryear, but if I were to need it as a DD it would have an upgraded LS and plenty of computerized gadgets like my dailys have :) On on the Ram Air V...they can keep it, heads and cam made it like already said IMO anyway, wonder if the intake was designed by Eddy? looks similar to a dual plane AG
 

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All good points, I won't discount someone's opinion - it is theirs alone.

However, am not only referring to the modern, computer controlled engines, but also to the innovations in technology with all engines - intake manifolds, carbs (and EFI), piston, valve and valve spring, rocker arms, bearings, rings, and ESPECIALLY cylinder head and camshaft (and roller lifter) technology.
These have benefited ALL engine types and brands - small and big blocks, W engines, Chevy/GM, Ford, Mopar, imports (🤮)....everything - new AND old.

If you would have mentioned a 500 hp/400 ci small block, a 700 hp/500 ci big block in 1970-1985 you would have been talking about a radical, drag-race only engine - with a cam that would laugh at power brakes or an idle below 1000rpm or anything below 100+ octane fuel.

Now, those are available from the dealer with a warranty - or - from the catalog as a crate engine that will be as docile on the street as it is on the strip, running pump gas and idling like a kitten - (except you will now lose to a 700hp/400ci NA small block or a 1000hp/500ci NA big block that IS set up for the dragstrip).

Don't get me started on the turbo or supercharged engines.

That's like cheating....
 

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Ah yes, the old muscle cars that I always dreamed of. Then I spent 10 years and a bunch of money to build a 400 hp hot rod, only to have my wifes new 480 hp bone stock convertible be capable of high 11 seconds with a 10 speed auto.

Now if I would just learn how to rewind electric motors, I would be good for another 50 years!
 

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I used to be a Pontiac guy. Many years ago I had a 67 GTO. While I believe that GTO's and Firebirds are fantastic cars, I was turned off by Pontiac motors. They are pricey and the cost to upgrade them isn't cheap either. I can't see spending $150K on a motor that can be beat by spending about $20K on any junkyard 455.

As for an LS motor my thoughts are as follows: I don't get the guys who have no problem taking advantage of modern technology when it comes to brakes, suspension, ignition, overdrive transmission, etc and then balk at upgrading to a powerplant that is a proven performer. Seems hypocritical to me.

For the record, I'm running a big block in my 67. Not because I hate the LS but because I can't afford to do the LS swap that I want to. I have no desire to pull a 180,000 mile motor out of a truck in a junkyard and slap it into my Chevelle. If I'm doing it, I'm doing it right.
 
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