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Jody's Transmissions and Paul at 5 speeds.com are both top of the list.
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Jody's Transmissions.
for years of experience and customer satisfaction check out below:
GARY HOWARD aka The MUNCIEMAN
GARY'S GEARBOX @ 267-424-5838 or email [email protected] for any of your Muncie, Borg Warner, Super T-10 or T-5 questions and needs.
Gary has a transmission shop and have been in business full time since 1982. Built his first transmissions in 1957 and cut my teeth on the old Chevie three speed before moving up to the four speed transmissions. Recently built an M-22 Z Muncie four speed with a 2:98 first gear. All his transmissions come with A limited written warranty and ship transmissions in the USA.
I think Paul Cangialosi has a video on rebuilding one and also sells a book on how to
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I realize that I'm about to answer questions you didn't ask, so if you've already decided not to do any of this then disregard everything I'm about to say. But if you feel up to the task, they're really not that hard to rebuild, and if you do it yourself you'll get your car back on the road much quicker than you would if you send your Muncie out to somebody else to rebuild it for you. That's option 1.
Whether you do the rebuild or not, consider one of the aftermarket gearsets that gives you a more aggressive 1st and 2nd gear, the advantage is that you can run highway-friendly gearing in your rear end and your car will still be quick off the line. That's option 2.
Or if you have the budget for it, Tremec makes a 5 speed now that allegedly bolts in without having to cut up your floor, I think it runs about $2800. This is option 3. They had a booth set up at an event last weekend, I was chatting with one of their guys and he said their transmission is about 1.5" longer than a Muncie, so you have to have your driveshaft shortened and you have to move your crossmember back 1.5". For most of our cars this would be pretty easily doable.
I don't know what any of the reputable guys charge to rebuild a Muncie... but compared whatever that would cost plus shipping both ways, I can't imagine that option 2 would cost significantly more $$, and option 3 might only be somewhat more $$. Just something to think about
Whether you do the rebuild or not, consider one of the aftermarket gearsets that gives you a more aggressive 1st and 2nd gear, the advantage is that you can run highway-friendly gearing in your rear end and your car will still be quick off the line. That's option 2.
Or if you have the budget for it, Tremec makes a 5 speed now that allegedly bolts in without having to cut up your floor, I think it runs about $2800. This is option 3. They had a booth set up at an event last weekend, I was chatting with one of their guys and he said their transmission is about 1.5" longer than a Muncie, so you have to have your driveshaft shortened and you have to move your crossmember back 1.5". For most of our cars this would be pretty easily doable.
I don't know what any of the reputable guys charge to rebuild a Muncie... but compared whatever that would cost plus shipping both ways, I can't imagine that option 2 would cost significantly more $$, and option 3 might only be somewhat more $$. Just something to think about
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I agree the overdrive trans is the way to go. However in addition to altering the driveshaft and cross member position most overdrive transmissions will require a new yoke and the new clutch due to a different number of splines than a muncie.I don't know what any of the reputable guys charge to rebuild a Muncie... but compared whatever that would cost plus shipping both ways, I can't imagine that option 2 would cost significantly more $$, and option 3 might only be somewhat more $$. Just something to think about
I always recommend that when someone is considering a gear change that they use an rpm calculator and figure out what rpm they will be running with the new gears then go out and run that rpm with their current set up and see how it feels.
For instance at one point I was considering a new M23 and changing my rear end ratio to a 3:08. Well I figured out that with those items I would be turning 2650 rpm at 65 mph. So I went out and ran my car at 2650 rpm on a quiet stretch of highway. What I discovered was at that rpm the exhaust was louder than I would like to listen to for anything over 10 minutes. With my overdrive I turn 2200 rpm at 70 mph and the exhaust report is much more agreeable.
Timely post. I'm considering refreshing my M20 since it's out of the car. Thought about sending it to Jody, but the idea of 'doing it myself' is quite appealing and I did pick up Paul's book. And since it's the original, I wouldn't have to worry about some freight company losing it...
Curious about the 1st & 2nd gear mods -- can anyone offer a bit more explanation? My rear end gears are 3.31 and I'm satisfied with the RPMs on the freeway (I don't drive over 67 anyway...)
OP -- if this is stomping on your thread, apologies and I'd be happy to start a new one.
Curious about the 1st & 2nd gear mods -- can anyone offer a bit more explanation? My rear end gears are 3.31 and I'm satisfied with the RPMs on the freeway (I don't drive over 67 anyway...)
OP -- if this is stomping on your thread, apologies and I'd be happy to start a new one.
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All good points. Not sure if the new Tremec TKX requires a different yoke or not (the rep didn't mention it and I didn't think to ask) but he did say it needs a 26 spline clutch. So he may or may not need a different clutch, but I didn't bother mentioning a clutch because it's probably a given to replace it anyways when the trans is coming out for a rebuild. I'm sure there are other small parts that will be needed too like a shifter handle, boot, whatever modifications you'd need to do to the wiring for the reverse lights, not sure if the speedometer cable bolts right in or if you need some kind of adapter, etc.
They didn't make the TKX yet a few years back when I rebuilt my Muncie, so I can't say I regret not looking into one. But the cost/benefit seems pretty good to me.
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Check out the link below for specs for the M22Z. There are one or two other variants too, I can't recall the ratios of the other ones off the top of my head but I think the M22Z has the most aggressive gearing. Says they're sold out, I think these were kind of tough to get your hands on even before Covid so hopefully they're not impossible to get now.
Muncie M22Z Gear Set - Made in Italy (5speeds.com)
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I dont know if Nate has any in the house, try here: Auto Gear Equipment | Custom gearboxes | Muncie and Tremec Transmissions
The Z gears start with a 2.98:1 1st gear ratio, so as said, your "diggin' " gears are like a rear axle ratio bump. I use the 23Z gears. You think M22 "rockcrushers" are loud. Aint got nothin' on the M23Z's "DIVCO truck" gears! M22Z are helix and quiet I'd imagine.
Anyway, call [email protected], tell 'em we sent ya for some info. He'd be happy to chat. Whether you , or Jody or anyone else rebuilds the unit, you can swap out gears.
Dang; the site edited my Italian gear joke, which was based on a old Italian helicopter joke! Mingya, even my old Catholic school buddies allow me a dumb joke once in a while!
The Z gears start with a 2.98:1 1st gear ratio, so as said, your "diggin' " gears are like a rear axle ratio bump. I use the 23Z gears. You think M22 "rockcrushers" are loud. Aint got nothin' on the M23Z's "DIVCO truck" gears! M22Z are helix and quiet I'd imagine.
Anyway, call [email protected], tell 'em we sent ya for some info. He'd be happy to chat. Whether you , or Jody or anyone else rebuilds the unit, you can swap out gears.
Dang; the site edited my Italian gear joke, which was based on a old Italian helicopter joke! Mingya, even my old Catholic school buddies allow me a dumb joke once in a while!
Got to be politically correct nowadays or someone's feelings get hurtI dont know if Nate has any in the house, try here: Auto Gear Equipment | Custom gearboxes | Muncie and Tremec Transmissions
The Z gears start with a 2.98:1 1st gear ratio, so as said, your "diggin' " gears are like a rear axle ratio bump. I use the 23Z gears. You think M22 "rockcrushers" are loud. Aint got nothin' on the M23Z's "DIVCO truck" gears! M22Z are helix and quiet I'd imagine.
Anyway, call [email protected], tell 'em we sent ya for some info. He'd be happy to chat. Whether you , or Jody or anyone else rebuilds the unit, you can swap out gears.
Dang; the site edited my Italian gear joke, which was based on a old Italian helicopter joke! Mingya, even my old Catholic school buddies allow me a dumb joke once in a while!
Thanks. Looks like the 10 spline might be available...
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Jody sells the AutoGear Z gear sets and other parts. He also just got a shipment of the new TKX 5 speed transmissions.
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DZAUTO, also a local ( here) Muncie guru has been recommending [email protected]&L on Long Island for parts, since I can remember.
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