[Guest]

Hi All,

I am planning to purchase a complete set of M22 gears to convert my M20 to an M22. These gears are imported from Italy. The salesman said the only difference in these gears and the U.S. gears are that the imported ones are slightly softer. Other than that, they are identical to the U.S. made gears and they said they have encountered no problems with them. Have any of you used these gears and encountered any problems? I would appreciate any opinions.


Thanks,

Jeff

 

[Gene Chas]

Jeff, that's not entirely correct, the Italian gears don't whine like the U.S. made ones do, they make a ***-***-***- sound.

Sorry, I'm not Archie Bunker, I just couldn't resist an old ethnic joke!

 

[Dave Birdwell]

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Good one Gene!!!

 

[Guest]

Good one, Gene! If that is the only negative comment I receive, I guess the gears are OK.

They better be for what I'm paying for them!

Jeff

 

[67ss]

I bought 1st and 2nd for $115 each frm D&L Trans in NY.If you don't mind,where did you get yours and how much are they?

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John 67SS
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[paul]

So, now you have begun to lower yourselves into the ethnic joke forum and others have condoned this act through their own comments. Bad enough if it were ordinary members but people involved with the tech team who are normally well respected have chosen to act in concert with them also. Your site is usually held in high regard and as long as I have been viewing it has been nothing but helpful and professional. I think that if other members were still around this would have been completely scrapped or edited. It's a shame that members would lower themselves to this standard.
Well bottom line is I frequent this page for the education it provides and will not diminish my own integrity by retorting to these ethnic comments as much as I'd like to.

Sincerely,
I'm one of those and damn proud of it!!!!!

 

[Philip]

I'm Italian too. Take it in the context that it was meant. That is to give us a chuckle. Besides getting great advice I enjoy the humor I find here also. I didn't take Gene's comment as derogitory.

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[260]

Hey Im Italian and I could care less.I love a good joke!Good one Gene!

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Dean Ciampi
Autumn Gold 1970 LS6 Chevelle
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[Joe454]

Cool! racial and ethnic jokes are ok with everyone! can't wait to get started! Once I bought a gear set from some southern company. when I opened the box , much to my surprise none of the gears had any teeth

...don't get mad! just kiddin' ...These types of jokes still ok with everyone? Anyone else with a Irish carb story? How bout a Polish intake manifold? Lets all Laugh!



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[ron70]

Everyone lighten up!!!!!!!!!!
JFK JR is dead, countries are at war, drugs and violence are all around us, there is still no cure for cancer or male pattern baldness, take it easy!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DZAUTO]

Oh man! Give me a break! Get a life, Paul!

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[Guest]

John,

I got the M22 gears from HP Trans in Knoxville, TN. They had a booth at Super Chevy Indy. For $600 I got the following new M22 gears:

Input Shaft
Cluster gear
Reverse idler
1st, 2nd, and 3rd speed gears

Jeff

 

[Quadzilla]

I would just like to point out the meaning of the word "***". It's is actually spelled "W.O.P" and was a term used by US immagration officers around the turn of the century. W.O.P. means "With Out Passport"... it does not mean that you were stupid, ignorant, poor or otherwise; it ment you didn't have a passport to prove your identity.

As for the gears I have no idea, but I do know that Italy has rather high standerds on fabricated metal exports. Unlike China I might add

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[Sean Flanagan]

O.K. here we go!
1. I'm gonna remember that one Gene I like it!!
2. Lighten up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
3. If the gears are softer would it not mean hey are more likely to shread? Think about it, everyone is trying to "bullet proof" their parts!

My .02 of course I'm just a dumb mic!

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Sean
Heavy '73



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[Gene Chas]

Well, the original version is an old soldiers joke , " how can you tell an Italian helicopter ?", but when Jeff asked the post it was just too easy.

Chill out Paul! I never meant anything derogatory against anyone, it was just funny. Take it for what it is man. WE all bleed red blood and will have to stand in naked judgement some day; meaning, I'm no better or worse than anybody else of any color, religion etc. This PC stuff has gotten way out of hand. AND, YES I LOVE SCUNGILLI!

And P.S. I agree with the earlier post. Most auto machining of Italian origin I've ever worked with, Lamboughini, Ferrari, was of very high quality, just to be relevant.



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[Harley]

Softer is a relitive term. Cast cranks are "softer" than steel cranks and also less likley to snap, because they a more able to absorb harmonic viberations. Axels are realitivly "soft" but are "tough" as they need to absorb some shock if they where "hard" you could snap em with street tires. There was a time when North central mederterianean but a little to the right(is that PC enough?) steel was some of the finest.
Harley
When we can't laugh anymore the only thing left is to fight.

 

[Wes V]

I think that Harley made the best comment! (and it was about the original question)

Steel items can be tempered TOO strong. Years ago, I was into British sports cars and went through several axles with a car that had maybe 80 horsepower. They wouldn't twist, they would just snap apart. Too much temper from the factory.

Wes. Vann

 

[tom3]

My dad used to tell this story all the time. Back in the 30s he bought a new Chevy. "Real sporty coupe" as he would tell it. About 2 or 3 miles from the dealer he snapped a rear axle. Dealer came out and towed it in and fixed it and told him they always try to get people out of town. Guess those axles were too hard and snapped like glass, so Harley is probably right on the money. Just hard enough might be better than too much, in steel anyway. BTW I was in the army with some guys of Italian ancestry and we had a lot of fun with that stuff, they gave at least as much as they got. tom

 

[Dave Birdwell]

I'm half Italian, and half German, and I thought it was funnier than he*#.
Ya gots to have a little humor when dealing with the human race.
$600 seems like a good deal to me!

 

[JWagner]

This is an ineresting post for sure . I have no info to add to the original question about Itaian made gears. However, as a former engineer for US auto companies , we only the highest regard for Italian castings. If you look at the cylinder heads of "quad fours" and Chrysler 2.2 litre engines you will see a little "christmas tree" symbol which is the FIAT logo. These guys do pretty good work. As for me, I am pretty happy to be the grandson of European immigrants.