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The BRP part number for the LS and T56 Magnum into a 64-67 A-body coupe was 101-0002-56. Oh yeah, the driveline angle sucks! But I don't think the engine could be any more than 1/2" lower w/o running into pan issues with the cross member :-/. I'm currently raising the transmission mount as far as possible to reduce the transmission to driveshaft angle. I'm afraid I'll be needing a CV joint driveshaft before I'm finished. I'll update the driveline angles later.
 

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That seems to be the common downfall of the BRP mounts. I cant even imagine what the vibration issues will be with that set up! With some of the other mounts that are a full inch plus lower, there have been no contact issues with that pan.
 

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Following this thread with interest, planning LS3/4L70E connect and cruise swap in
69 Beaumont(Cdn A body Chevelle) next April. Would prefer install w/o cutting tunnel and
drive line geometry consistent with zero vibration issues. Brian, thanks for compiling
parts and info related to an effortless install configuration. Hope to have all parts and
accessories ready to go when the snow clears up here next Spring.
 

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Following this thread with interest, planning LS3/4L70E connect and cruise swap in
69 Beaumont(Cdn A body Chevelle) next April. Would prefer install w/o cutting tunnel and
drive line geometry consistent with zero vibration issues. Brian, thanks for compiling
parts and info related to an effortless install configuration. Hope to have all parts and
accessories ready to go when the snow clears up here next Spring.
Hey Cnd Chevelle, I'm right in the middle of development of a full system of swap components coming from Hooker for 68-72 A-bodies and can give you some hands-on advice to help you achieve your objective. You can indeed get a 4L70 installed in your car behind an LS without cutting the floor and while achieving desirable U-joint working angles. In order to reach that objective, you will have to move the engine/trans mating plane 1.25" forward from the stock position, which is possible to do using one of two sets of Hooker engine brackets that will be available soon and the Holley 302-2 oil pan. The 4th-gen F-body accessory drive set-up will not be installable in this engine position, so you'll have to use a truck, Corvette or Holley accessory drive system. A side benefit to this configuration is that the trans bolts right onto the factory Chevelle crossmember without having to drill any new holes in the frame.
 

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Hey Cnd Chevelle, I'm right in the middle of development of a full system of swap components coming from Hooker for 68-72 A-bodies and can give you some hands-on advice to help you achieve your objective. You can indeed get a 4L70 installed in your car behind an LS without cutting the floor and while achieving desirable U-joint working angles. In order to reach that objective, you will have to move the engine/trans mating plane 1.25" forward from the stock position, which is possible to do using one of two sets of Hooker engine brackets that will be available soon and the Holley 302-2 oil pan. The 4th-gen F-body accessory drive set-up will not be installable in this engine position, so you'll have to use a truck, Corvette or Holley accessory drive system. A side benefit to this configuration is that the trans bolts right onto the factory Chevelle crossmember without having to drill any new holes in the frame.
Any idea when the mounts will be available?
 

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Hey Cnd Chevelle, I'm right in the middle of development of a full system of swap components coming from Hooker for 68-72 A-bodies and can give you some hands-on advice to help you achieve your objective. You can indeed get a 4L70 installed in your car behind an LS without cutting the floor and while achieving desirable U-joint working angles. In order to reach that objective, you will have to move the engine/trans mating plane 1.25" forward from the stock position, which is possible to do using one of two sets of Hooker engine brackets that will be available soon and the Holley 302-2 oil pan. The 4th-gen F-body accessory drive set-up will not be installable in this engine position, so you'll have to use a truck, Corvette or Holley accessory drive system. A side benefit to this configuration is that the trans bolts right onto the factory Chevelle crossmember without having to drill any new holes in the frame.
That's excellent..... Would you recommend holding off on ordering drive assembly? The plan is to order LS376/480 and 4L70E from Trailblazer SS to save $$$. The controllers are an easy plug and play. I had expected to order
GM pn 19257325 w/o a/c, but will that fit??

I am not sure what headers I will be using, I would prefer long tube but have
had a problem with Hooker S Comps hanging to low in A body. For LS swap
it would be better to use mid length for exhaust fitment in a lowered car.

Russ K spoke of problems with #1 tube on stainless works hders. We'll see
whats available in the Spring.

Thanks for your input, obviously it's valuable to have new adaptations to make these LS swaps easier.

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That's excellent..... Would you recommend holding off on ordering drive assembly? The plan is to order LS376/480 and 4L70E from Trailblazer SS to save $$$. The controllers are an easy plug and play. I had expected to order
GM pn 19257325 w/o a/c, but will that fit??

I am not sure what headers I will be using, I would prefer long tube but have
had a problem with Hooker S Comps hanging to low in A body. For LS swap
it would be better to use mid length for exhaust fitment in a lowered car.

Russ K spoke of problems with #1 tube on stainless works hders. We'll see
whats available in the Spring.

Thanks for your input, obviously it's valuable to have new adaptations to make these LS swaps easier.

L
I've validated the fitment of the standard truck accessory drive set-up with a smaller pulley on the power steering pump, but the TBSS set-up is one I don't have in my inventory of mock-up parts to test. None of the new Hooker headers being designed these days bear resemblance to the Comp or Supercomp headers designed years ago. If you haven't been exposed to products from the Hooker Blackheart line yet, which these will be, you will be surprised by your experience with them. I'm far enough along in the project that I can post some fitment photos for you guys here (especially the oil pan and mounts) next week if you want.
 

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I've validated the fitment of the standard truck accessory drive set-up with a smaller pulley on the power steering pump, but .... I'm far enough along in the project that I can post some fitment photos for you guys here (especially the oil pan and mounts) next week if you want.
Yes Please, esp. with truck acc., factory location mounts, manual trans, mechanical clutch.
 

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Yes Please, esp. with truck acc., factory location mounts, manual trans, mechanical clutch.
I'll be able to show all of that with the exception of the mechanical clutch linkage, which the long tube headers will not be designed to be compatible with. You could of course use the mounting components and try to source your headers/manifolds elsewhere.
 

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I used Dirty Dingo sliders with Energy Suspension mounts and Holley 302-2 pan. The fit is perfect. It ended up with about 3/8" pan clearance above and behind the cross member and the tie rod end grease zerks clear. I had hope the 06 Vette exhaust manifolds would fit but, not to be. I ended up buying "cheapo" shorties off eBay and I was pleasantly surprised at the fit and quality. I was able to use the stock transmission cross member but, haven't yet been able to assess the drive shaft angle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151712365421?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT









 

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I used Dirty Dingo sliders with Energy Suspension mounts and Holley 302-2 pan. The fit is perfect. It ended up with about 3/8" pan clearance above and behind the cross member and the tie rod end grease zerks clear. I had hope the 06 Vette exhaust manifolds would fit but, not to be. I ended up buying "cheapo" shorties off eBay and I was pleasantly surprised at the fit and quality. I was able to use the stock transmission cross member but, haven't yet been able to assess the drive shaft angle.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151712365421?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT









Looks like you made good use of the Holley 302-2 pan there Les.
 

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I have some photos depicting the new forward-position set of LS engine swap brackets coming soon from Hooker and the fitment of them with the new Hooker headers that are also coming and the Holley 302-2 oil pan. The brackets are based on the use of 4th-gen F-body engine mounts and therefore provide unconstrained clearance for low-mount A/C compressor mounting for guys wanting the ability to use such a configuration. There will also be another set of engine brackets available that positions the engine/transmission mounting plane in the stock location and they will also be compatible with these same headers and the 302-2 oil pan. I tried posting the photos without success, so I'll give it another try later.
 

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I have some photos depicting the new forward-position set of LS engine swap brackets coming soon from Hooker and the fitment of them with the new Hooker headers that are also coming and the Holley 302-2 oil pan. The brackets are based on the use of 4th-gen F-body engine mounts and therefore provide unconstrained clearance for low-mount A/C compressor mounting for guys wanting the ability to use such a configuration. There will also be another set of engine brackets available that positions the engine/transmission mounting plane in the stock location and they will also be compatible with these same headers and the 302-2 oil pan. I tried posting the photos without success, so I'll give it another try later.
http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx292/toddoky/IMG_1443 - Copy_zpscaz6jkyi.jpg
 

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Me and my dad finally installed the LS3/4L70E combo in our '68 Chevelle, it was not easy by any means!! Getting that oil pan (Holley 302-2) to clear the cross member took over 2 hours of playing with different angles to get it in, but, we finally prevailed. We followed Russ's information and used the Energy Suspension mounts moving the engine 1.25" forward from stock which worked quite nicely. We haven't looked at the driveline angle yet and will have to modify the transmission cross member once we figure that out.

Obviously, the stock exhaust manifold wouldn't work. Todd, any progress on the headers for this application? I've love to be your first customer to try them out on our project! :yes:
 

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Me and my dad finally installed the LS3/4L70E combo in our '68 Chevelle, it was not easy by any means!! Getting that oil pan (Holley 302-2) to clear the cross member took over 2 hours of playing with different angles to get it in, but, we finally prevailed. We followed Russ's information and used the Energy Suspension mounts moving the engine 1.25" forward from stock which worked quite nicely. We haven't looked at the driveline angle yet and will have to modify the transmission cross member once we figure that out.

Obviously, the stock exhaust manifold wouldn't work. Todd, any progress on the headers for this application? I've love to be your first customer to try them out on our project! :yes:
Nice job, your engine placement would be very close to what is provided by the forward-position set of Hooker engine brackets, so if they provide relatively the same elevation height as them also, you will be able to use your factory crossmember and achieve great U-joint angles. A little more information that will be helpful for you to know is that the Hooker engine brackets include two 3/8" thick shims that get installed between the ends of the crossmember and the frame and a 3/16" thick shim that gets installed between the center pad of the crossmember and the trans mount to produce optimized U-joint angles using the factory crossmember with the Hooker engine brackets. You can try the same thing, but If your engine mounts are higher, this won't work for you
The first run of the 1-7/8" headers are on the shelf and available for purchase...if you are interested, I would head over to the Holley website and place an order ASAP as there were only 10 sets made on the initial run.
 

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Thanks Todd, I went ahead and ordered the headers since you have a great return policy in case they don't fit. I'll let you know how they work and take some pictures once they're installed.
That's great, I'm curious to see how the headers work out with swap plates. Remember that the Hooker brackets will place the front of the engine lower in the frame than swap plates will, so if you run into difficulties achieving desirable U-joint working angles, they are an option for you to use over the swap plates.
 

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This is what worked flawlessly for me when I was putting an LM7 truck motor with 4L60E into my 69 Chevelle 1 year ago.

Body Bushings Energy Suspension

LS swap plates from LSX innovations.com I mounted my motor in the middle position. Part # ST-11 $44.99

Stock Motor Mounts Energy Suspension from Summit Part # ENS-3-1120R $83.99

Holley 302-2 $349.99

Dirty Dingo small PS Pump Pully $29.99 I think

G Force Crossmember from Summit Part #SUM-770308 $259.97

Flowmaster Headers Part # 814116 $747.48

Flowmaster Header back exhaust system Part #FLW817409 $542.99


My entire build was built around the Holley 302-2 Pan. That was a game changer for the A Body guys. I waited about 5 month for it due to the popularity and demand. I followed toddoky on a few forums explaining the pan and how it was built for us A Body guys. I am looking forward to checking out the Holley Swap Kit when it is unveiled, no doubt in my mind it will be another game changer.

The pics below show how everything ended up clearance wise. The lowest part of my drivetrain is the transmission pan. I lifted the rear of the transmission up until it hit the floor and then set my Energy Suspension mount with shims where the rear of the transmission is approx 1/4 in from the floor. The headers tucked up to the floor with less than 1/4 in clearance and continued thru the G force crossmember with almost the same clearance. I had my driveshaft shortened 1 1/2 in, re-balanced and upgraded the u-joints. I did not check my driveline angles before my first test-drive but there is no vibrations and nothing hits with my setup after almost 800 trouble free miles.


Floor Bumper Automotive exterior Flooring Auto part


Pipe Auto part Automotive exhaust Exhaust system Muffler


Auto part Bumper Machine tool


Auto part Vehicle Bumper Car Automotive exterior


Rob

Build Thread http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=671226&highlight=
 

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We haven't looked at the driveline angle yet and will have to modify the transmission cross member once we figure that out.
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No mods are needed to the stock trans cross member. I used the Energy Suspension trans mount & the OEM Powerglide cross member. This mount is a bit taller than other mounts, the trans can only be raised ~5/16" before hitting the tunnel. And the engine is only ~1* down as referenced to the rocker panel.

Russ Kemp
 
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