[1970chevelle--]

I have posted on this topic before and have gotten a few different answers. My car has -- paint code and i have the car apart now on a rotisserie i was working on the fire wall today getting all of the old paint off and in the upper left hand (driver side) cowl area there was a yellow grease pencil mark with the number 19 does any one have any knowledge as to what this means. The reason I'm asking is because now that the car is a part it looks that the areas that would not be painted over the years are black. I have had this car since 1994, i could not find a build sheet while tearing it down. The car is an 11B with the sequence number is 127267. Does this sequence match the 11B build time. Thank you for your time for reading.

Kenny

 

[NickeyChevelle]

The "--" usually indicates a special order paint (say something like a Pontiac Atoll Blue on a Chevelle). A number in grease pencil on the passenger side of the firewall would normally indicate the "to be" paint color for the paint shop. However, the number "19" indicates "Tuxedo Black" which, of course, is not a special order paint...

BTW: I see a lot of restored Chevelles that have the grease pencil marking on top of the finished paint. That is incorrect -- the grease pencil was put on over the primer, and then painted over with the car color, and then painted over with the black engine compartment paint. Typically you couldn't see the grease pencil marks until years later when the poor adhesion caused the paint to deteriorate.

 

[Dave Birdwell]

The car is an 11B with the sequence number is 127267. Does this sequence match the 11B build time. Thank you for your time for reading.

Kenny

If you're talking about a '70 built in KC, then yes, it lines up fine.

Rumor has it that any deviation from the norm would trigger the special paint - - marks. I have a question for you, is your car a cowl induction hood car?? Quite possibly it's a real black car with stripe delete...

 

[1970chevelle--]

Thank you for the replies back from everyone the car does have a cowl induction hood. The number 19 was under the paint when i was cleaning it off i was very carful because i have seen postings of wrinting on the fire wall under the paint. I have taken pictures of everything i have done so far, as i mentioned earlier i did not find a build sheet so anything i do i either video or photo it. The car is believed to have had an l78 i bought this without the engine in 1994 like i posted earlier it does have the 6500 tach single fuel line, and from what i heard and read fits the time line. I have the dash out of the car and on the back it has an ink stamp of 6469983. Again thank you for the replies.

 

[mr]

My car has -- paint code and i have the car apart now on a rotisserie i was working on the fire wall today getting all of the old paint off and in the upper left hand (driver side) cowl area there was a yellow grease pencil mark with the number [19] does any one have any knowledge as to what this means. The reason I'm asking is because now that the car is a part it looks that the areas that would not be painted over the years are black.

The car is an 11B with the sequence number is [127267]. Does this sequence match the [11B] build time.

The "--" usually indicates a special order paint.
However, the number "19" indicates "Tuxedo Black" which, of course, is not a special order paint ....

VIN# 10K119567 = has a buildsheet date 10/21 & trim tag date [10D]
VIN# 10K120999 = has a buildsheet date 10/24 & trim tag date [10D]
VIN# 10K121783 = has a buildsheet date 10/27/1969
VIN# 10K122889 = ................................. has a trim tag date [10E]
VIN# 10K125180 = has a buildsheet date 11/04 & trim tag date [11A]
VIN# 10K126003 = has a buildsheet date 11/06 & trim tag date [11A]
VIN# 10K126736 = ................................. has a trim tag date [11A]
your 10K127267 .............................. has a trim tag date [11B]
VIN# 10K129749 = has a buildsheet date 11/14 & trim tag date [11B]
VIN# 10K130309 = ................................. has a trim tag date [11C]
VIN# 10K130924 = has a buildsheet date 11/18 & trim tag date [11C]
VIN# 10K132299 = has a buildsheet date 11/21 & trim tag date [11C]
VIN# 10K132637 = has a buildsheet date 11/21 & trim tag date [11C]

My 1970 Leeds [75 75] paint coded, [12E] built LS5 has 75 75 color grease markings under the a/c box on the firewall.

 

[Dave Birdwell]

Do you have a picture of the firewall where the throttle cable comes through?? Post a picture of that area, about a foot around that area. I'll compare it to my L78 and see if it came with cowl induction.

 

[Tod74]

The "--" usually indicates a special order paint (say something like a Pontiac Atoll Blue on a Chevelle). A number in grease pencil on the passenger side of the firewall would normally indicate the "to be" paint color for the paint shop. However, the number "19" indicates "Tuxedo Black" which, of course, is not a special order paint...

BTW: I see a lot of restored Chevelles that have the grease pencil marking on top of the finished paint. That is incorrect -- the grease pencil was put on over the primer, and then painted over with the car color, and then painted over with the black engine compartment paint. Typically you couldn't see the grease pencil marks until years later when the poor adhesion caused the paint to deteriorate.

My 72 has those marks for body color and interior on the drivers side....looks like its never been painted over...it actually looks like its on top of the overspray from the body....it was not visible until I took fender off. Although what you said makes the most sense because why would they mark the paint code AFTER it was painted?

 

[1972convss454]

I'm computerless at the moment.... having to use my phone to post. Not sure how to post pics.
Go to my sig "Other STuff" Then go to my 70 L78 folder. I have pics of my KC 70 L78 firewall. The car does have cowl Induction.

 

[1970chevelle--]

Hello everyone i added a picture of my fire wall on my car, the question was asked to see if it was a cowl induction, i also took some pictures of the inside of the cowl by kick panel i will post those next it looks like a brown color. I pulled away some of the caulking and this is the color that was under there. thanks again everyone.

Kenny

 

[1970chevelle--]

this was the inside of the cowl area near the kick panel. On the passenger side.

 

[1970chevelle--]

On the above pictures does this look like a primer or paint color. It did have a pretty good shine to it.

 

[Dave Birdwell]

4 speed car??

Looks like it had U14 Gauge package, and ZL2 cowl hood.. I'll have to look at my car tomorrow, it was built the week after yours and has the same options.

The grease pencil marks would have been on the side before paint. Remember, Fisher Body painted the shells with the trunk and doors on, and Chevrolet painted the doghouse seperately. They were then mated later in assembly..

I'm leaning towards it being a black stripe delete car...

 

[Dave Birdwell]

If you found that brown color under seam sealer, it's primer.... usually there wasn't much paint applied inside the shell.

 

[Dave Birdwell]

What color was under the carpet where it was under the door sill plate??

 

[1970chevelle--]

Looks to be about the same color as the color posted in the pictures. The car is a 4 speed without a console I believe. I thought maybe when they edged the a pillars some paint would blow back there. That color was kind of shiny. Thanks.
Kenny

 

[1970chevelle--]

This is the grease pencil mark i found. Also that brown color was under the sealer gray in color that would seal the vent area.

 

[Jody1970]

I too have a 70 with special paint "- -" that I recently took the fenders off of. On mine I found on the drivers side cowl a "63" grease pencil marking. "63" (Light Saddle Metallic) is a valid 70 Chevelle paint code but my car wasn't that color.

I may be way off track or this may have already been discussed, but I have a theory about why "special paint" cars still had paint codes marked on them and I'd love to hear other opinions on it. Does it seem reasonable that if an order came in that at the factory for special paint, that maybe the plant just picked out car that was just a stock "non-ordered" build that was equipped like the ordered car and used that car for the order? In my case that sort of makes sense. My car had "63" as a color which was "Light Saddle Metallic". All the logistics were probably already all worked out regarding interior color and trim and it was an easy transition to paint it the Burnished Saddle color that it was painted.

 

[1970chevelle--]

That is pretty neat what is the build date on your car? Did you check out the other pictures I posted? I will try to get some more pictures tonite of that vent area that is under the caulking strip it is almost like the 3m strip caulk but it is gray.

 

[Jody1970]

That is pretty neat what is the build date on your car?

Mine was built 4 week of April

 

[1970chevelle--]

These are the pictures of my tach with the ink stamp and the clock with date on the back. Thanks again.

Kenny