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Hello guys, I am going to check out a car next week. He said it doesn't come with any paper work and was restored in 2004. I am new to Chevelles, can anyone tell me what to look for? I would like to determine a value so if I want to make an offer I can make a proper one. Here is a link to the car, and I have a few more pics if it would help.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/53428.html
 

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:cool: I am not an expert on '70s however for the money he's asking he should be providing a great deal of proof (cars manufactured and/or sold in Canada have documentation available for purchase). In this car's case if the Engine is not original (Partial VIN on engine matches VIN on car) PASS IT UP. Regardless, it's way over priced. The WSW Washer Pump is wrong, the Master Cylinder looks wrong (hard to tell from the angle), the Grill should NOT say "Chevelle," and there are no resonators on the tail pipes (yes, I know I'm splitting hairs, but for that kind of money it should be better).

It's close to impossible to educate you on the ins and outs of the SS packages in the time given (feel free to do a search of this site -- there's a lot here on the subject). The best thing you can do at this point is ask a team member to look at the car with you.

Based on the 4 photos and the defects I see, I'D PASS.

Yes, post the additional photos.
 

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First note that in 1970 all SS optioned Chevelles are Malibus. Tuck that away. It's also true that all 1971 and 1972 SS optioned Chevelles are Malibus. In 1969 ONLY, the SS option was available on the Malibu as well as the 300 Deluxe coupes and sport coupes as well.

So there are true SS Malibus and non SS Malibus but they're all Malibus (70-72 anyway).

Without paperwork there's no way to know if the car was ordered with one of the two SS options in 1970. A true SS optioned 70 is still an SS without the original engine, it's just not worth as much in historical value (and normally real value as well). A lot of Chevelles with 454 engines you find advertised have late 70s truck engines as they are fairly plentiful and inexpensive but not the best for performance.

Car is a bit overpriced though if it doesn't have the original engine, even if it was initially an SS optioned Chevelle.
 

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Tell him "look, it's a Malibu" (always true, right Dale?) just to get the discussion going... :D

If he whips out the Canada docs proving it started life as an SS454, great - but he won't...because chances are 50/50 it did not start life as an SS454, and he's already said "no paperwork" which is a nice polite way to say "SS clone"

If he still insists it is an original SS, again ask for specific proof. He wont have it. Ignore the legends and anecdotes about "the guy who built this car is an expert..." Blah blah blah...

After his schpiel is over, courteously point out "Look, we can agree this is a nice car in resale red that has some initial curb appeal...but we must also agree based on no documentation and obvious features that this is a resto-rod that very likely started life as a small block Malibu non-SS car."

If he STILL won't come around on the "probably not an SS/resto-rod" thing, begin to cite stuff like stripes which are the incorrect color, car has headers, non-stock exhaust, aftermarket intake manifold, etc. Nothing wrong with those features if you want them, but that makes it a resto-rod...not a concours restoration.

If he stonewalls and says "what difference does all that really make?" Courteously point out that he's asking for a price which is tilted towards the end of the scale "more representative of an OEM restoration car which can reasonably be identified as an original SS"...and that such a position is just not realistic for this nice resto-rod probably SS clone in resale red (which is likely not even the original color on the car, by the way).

So, having done the above, now the bargaining begins.

When he waffles, offer him mid to high twenties... Of course you won't GET it for that, but if he won't move, IMO - walk away.

Use your brain, not your lust for a Chevelle. This is not an "investment" car...it's a fun car, a nice car, a sharp car, but at $40k before sales tax, it is not an investment car. If you buy it at $40k plus sales tax, then YOU are providing the FINAL PAYOFF. $40k is the high water mark in what is a long string of "other investors".. YOU are the last guy in the Ponzi scheme...IF you are thinking "investment".

But, if you have the money and don't care about the above, and just want a red big block Chevelle to drive and in which you can have fun? Perfectly fine...that's your call. Just tell yourself the truth as you buy this car. You will rest easier knowing why you bought it and what you bought. More significantly, you won't have to lie to yourself, your significant other, and to the guy to whom you sell it five years from now. As the man said...


"To thine own self be true"
 

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Thanks Keith. I appreciate the overview.

Personally for my $30k max budget I am not expecting to get an original SS, or anything near numbers matching. It will be a weekend cruiser for me, something to learn with and get into a new hobby. I don't want to overspend on it, but it is definitely a nice car. Would you guys say $30k max is what this car is worth? If I did buy it for $30k do you think I would ever be able to get my money back? I also have to factor in that no matter what anyone says I'm sure I will find some odds and ends a long the way that will cost me another few thousand.
 

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I am going to look at this one tomorrow. 454 and same owner for the last 28 years.

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-veh...hevrolet-Chevelle-SS-Coupe-W0QQAdIdZ501718386
That car looks killer :thumbsup: The description sounds like my car when I bought it... Canadian car, 4-speed, Centerlines, owned since the 80's, etc.

My only complaint is that the rear stripes were painted a bit too short. I wonder if it's a real LS5 car and originally orange as well. He's missing one of the most important pics in his ad, under the hood. Does he have the GM of Canada paperwork for it?
 

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Rocky,
I'm not your best resource on the $30k zone for this car. Better if some of the 70-72 guys chime in...but I'm glad to see that you are already thinking 25-30% less than what he's asking.

IME Chevelles are pretty generally money pits...but they are a heck of a lot of fun!
 

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I went and check out the chevelle in the link. Total waste if time. Lines were terrible, lots of bubbling and signs of body work. He pretended to not know anything about the motor or car. "He bought it for his wife" kinda deal. Going to look at another tomorrow.
 
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