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Got a race-car only TNT tomorrow in Denver, and I'm wondering how to use my passes to identify helpful changes to pick up time. I have a 1 inch spacer to try under the carb, and can remove the 2 1/2 cherry bombs on my 2 inch headers to see if there is a restriction. I havent' installed the 3 inch flowmaster pipes with Ultra Flow mufflers. I May have gone too big on the header primary size, a common mistake as bigger always seems better, for a current low 13 second ride, and may still change to 1 3/4 before being commited to the exhaust system install. The math says I have 337 RWHP with 4,150 lb race weight which is probably not enough power for 2" primaries. The shift point for now has only been 5500 RPM.

I can also change mechanical advance springs in the MSD distributer with 6AL, change timing, jet size, spark plug gap, shift points, footbrake RPM, etc. I just don't know whats a good place to begin for a newly completed vehicle. The old rule is make one change at a time, but the sequence is probably important too. The plugs do look like a darker tan, so not worried about being too lean.

The vehicle is a '70 El Camino with 496 iron heads, Victor Junior, Holley HP 750 carb, 3000-3500 stall TCI Ultimate Street Fighter, Turbo 400/ Gear Vendors (not shifted on the track)3.73 12 Bolt, 325/50 MT street radials. Ignition is 6AL, 8361 MSD vacuum advance distributer with Blaster 2. I'm installing the distributer/coil tomorrow and removing the HEI and am leaning toward the 18 degree bushing and 20 degrees initial. Its generally accepted that the altitude requires 4 degrees more timing here than at sea level. Cam is Comp Cams flat hydaulic with .575 lift and 240/246 degrees duration and 110 LSA.

I'm not impressed with the low 13's for the dollars of redoing the entire drivetrain, but I'm down about 20% on power at almost 6,000 ft elevation. But I have picked up six seconds over the old 267 V8 in the car passed off to me as a 305, and with a 2:41 final cog.

I remember the old lady in the timeshack laughing when she handed me a timeslip at 19.4 seconds - I almost quit racing. How do I go about doing the testing to start having a little more fun? I've gone from 19 seconds to 13 seconds, but still want to get out of the "teens" with this ride. I could run in King Street at 12.75's.
 

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I can almost guarantee that the 2.5 in mufflers are a big restriction. I'd sure pull them to see for sure.

What is timing curve? Inital? I'd use as much initial as possible..in the 20*+ range..and then limit total to 36-38 or so to start. It's possible the altitude may allow more as you tune. Keep an eye on MPH and pull a plug to make sure no detonation is happening.


I don't think 2" is too big...but it depends on cam and what RPM range you intend to run. I didn't see cam specs. If it's a small one..then 1-3/4" might be OK with your weight and 6000'.

I would try leaving just off idle in the 1200-1500 range to flash the converter hard if the tires will handle it. Come out as hard as they will take.

Pump front tires up to 40-50 psi.

After you get a couple of good consistent passes..try the spacer with no ther changes. Pay attention to engine temp so the runs are consistent.

I used to live in Denver. That altitude racing is tough stuff!

Good Luck!

JIM
 

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I edited the post for the cam/distributer info, but will add it here so it doesn't have to be picked out of the post again. Cam is Comp Cams 11-250-3, hydraulic flat lifters with .575 lift, 240/246 degrees duration, 110 LSA also called an XE 284H. The Dynamic Compression Ratio is 7.87, static is 10:1 as everyone seemed to think you need more compression at altitude and have more leeway. Man at the speedshop pressed for the XE292H with 244/244 degrees of duration to drop DCR a little but the "very rough idle" didn't sound so good for a street car.

MSD distributer/coil goes in tomorrow and the HEI comes out. I'm leaning toward the 18 degree bushing, blue springs, and 20 degrees initial as one is supposed to add about 4 degrees extra timing due to the altitude and I believe big blocks love initial timing so I should give it less mechanical advance to use more initial advance. MSD says to give it intial timing until the starter drags, but that sounds a little risky about detonation.

In looking through an old straight-thru 2.5 inch cherry bomb on the end of a header I wouldn't have thought it to be a restriction - until I thought of four 2 inch primaries tubes feeding it. Hope the extra info adds something.
 
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