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General Motors investing $854 million to build V8 engines amid EV shift

General Motors is investing $854 million in four plants to support V8 engine production for the coming years even as it prepares to transform into an all-electric automaker.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[HandOverFist]

GM leadership is too stupid to realize anything beforehand...zero vision.

 

[JJ'65]

V-8 ICE For full sized trucks and SUVs. When you got a man sized job, you have to send a man. An electric motor powered enormous full sized four door pickup with all bells and whistles can get around town OK, kids to school and piano lessons and such. Yeah, I know railroad locomotives can pull a load with an electric motor. GM does business worldwide. USA might be all electric and saving the planet 10-15 years from now. Philippines, Zimbabwe, Russia, etc. maybe not.

 

[HKalin]

The other day on the news there was a guy that bought a new Hummer EV with the biggest battery he could get in it. I guess when you plug it in it will tell you how long it will take to get a full charge. It was either Saturday or Sunday and it said on Friday of the next week it would be totally charged. He was charging it at his house so I don't think he had a supercharger that charges it faster. I'm at a age that I don't plan to be around by time all this crap hits the fan and I sure don't think I'll miss it or all the BS going on in this country now.

 

[von]

Glad to hear the V8 still will be available in the future and that's the only thing I'd own, but now they're pushing turbo 4 cyl's in the half ton pickups. I don't care how much power and torque they have, I wouldn't have one.

 

[70SSOBSESSION]

Smart move in my opinion. We do not have the infrastructure and EVs still aren’t practical for real use yet.
Meanwhile at Chrysler(Stalantis) they are dropping all ICE vehicles. We will see who is around in 5 to 10 years.
‘There is going to be a huge backlash on the EV movement because it is not being driven by demand but by government policy and we all know how that works out.

 

[427L88]

yeah, they''ll all be scrapped when Cummins et al get hydrogen fuel sorted. EV makes tons of sense for short haul fleets tho, including ambulances.

It's going to be a ton of fun, when taxes, fees and electricity prices adjust to all this EV stuff.

 

[MikeN]

The ONLY reason manufacturers are going all-in on EV's is government subsidies

 

[mrpaticular]

Wyoming just introduced a bill to ban evs by 2035. Fair warning to new buyers, charging stations, get rid of the one you have, etc.
Who is going to cover the costs of revamping recycling stations and junk yards?
They are dropping in value fast now, what will they be worth in 5-10 years and what will be the owners cost to take it to a recycler?
They will end up sitting in yards.
I am not against them, just do not want them forced on us at a cost too much for most to bear.
Some will have to take out an 84-120 month note. 10 years to pay for a car they make you buy.

Rick

 

[blue_69_malibu]

By pushing for EVs too soon, the Green Movement will turn off many to its ideas....most of which are based in fantasy and not science. Real science that is.
GM is smart for not putting all of their eggs in one basket.
Look....the infrastructure isn't there yet.
And if you can't figure out part of this will be driven by "control the electricity, control the people"....you're not very bright.

 

[blue_69_malibu]

GM leadership is too stupid to realize anything beforehand...zero vision.

Vision and REALITY are not one in the same.

 

[mrpaticular]

GM leadership is too stupid to realize anything beforehand...zero vision.

Businesses like to make a money from investments. Investing in something today and going in the hole for the next 15-20 years for a questionable profit is not good business sense. If they do not go into the rabbit hole is because they will receive charity the government or buyers that cannot / will not do the math. Some think evs are the future, what they do not foresee are the extreme costs in the all to near future.
Evs are for city people.
Rick

 

[JJ'65]

yeah, they''ll all be scrapped when Cummins et al get hydrogen fuel sorted. EV makes tons of sense for short haul fleets tho, including ambulances.

It's going to be a ton of fun, when taxes, fees and electricity prices adjust to all this EV stuff.

In the airliner business, it looks like Airbus is going the hydrogen route. I'd guess that some of that tech regarding sourcing, transporting, storing, etc. will float down to motor vehicles too, along with the ICE engine producers work. Electric is useful for easy jobs. I love my electric lawn mower. Short hops. Commuter air, etc.

 

[68Chevele]

The other day on the news there was a guy that bought a new Hummer EV with the biggest battery he could get in it. I guess when you plug it in it will tell you how long it will take to get a full charge. It was either Saturday or Sunday and it said on Friday of the next week it would be totally charged. He was charging it at his house so I don't think he had a supercharger that charges it faster. I'm at a age that I don't plan to be around by time all this crap hits the fan and I sure don't think I'll miss it or all the BS going on in this country now.

Here's a good EV scenario. Hey buddy let's go racing Sunday, "Sure, oh wait let me charge my race car, it should be done by next week some time"🤣

 

[cherokeepeople]

Wyoming just introduced a bill to ban evs by 2035. Fair warning to new buyers, charging stations, get rid of the one you have, etc.
Who is going to cover the costs of revamping recycling stations and junk yards?
They are dropping in value fast now, what will they be worth in 5-10 years and what will be the owners cost to take it to a recycler?
They will end up sitting in yards.
I am not against them, just do not want them forced on us at a cost too much for most to bear.
Some will have to take out an 84-120 month note. 10 years to pay for a car they make you buy.

Rick

so you can't afford an ev??i guess you walk,one way to thin the gas cars out.i had a thought last year.so the globalists want to go all ev cars etc and they want to get rid of gas and diesel vehicles.most of you here do not rememeber the GM electric car fiasco of the 70's.they made like 3000 ev's and leased them out in california only,you could not buy one.when lease was up you turned it back in and bought a gasser.i believe it was an experimental program. so whats to say they don't bring that back,lease you an ev for 3 yrs etc once lease is up you lease a new one.turn the old one in they take it and scrap it.by doing this they have a good idea of how many they need to produce every year,they get the old ones off the road AND they keep you in a perpetual car payment for a car you do not own.AND you can not alter the vehicle in anyway.they could virtually eliminate the after market for speed parts,get rid of all tire shops as the tires would outlive the lease.independent shops,and basically all auto parts stores.

 

[John R]

so you can't afford an ev??i guess you walk,one way to thin the gas cars out.i had a thought last year.so the globalists want to go all ev cars etc and they want to get rid of gas and diesel vehicles.most of you here do not rememeber the GM electric car fiasco of the 70's.they made like 3000 ev's and leased them out in california only,you could not buy one.when lease was up you turned it back in and bought a gasser.i believe it was an experimental program. so whats to say they don't bring that back,lease you an ev for 3 yrs etc once lease is up you lease a new one.turn the old one in they take it and scrap it.by doing this they have a good idea of how many they need to produce every year,they get the old ones off the road AND they keep you in a perpetual car payment for a car you do not own.AND you can not alter the vehicle in anyway.they could virtually eliminate the after market for speed parts,get rid of all tire shops as the tires would outlive the lease.independent shops,and basically all auto parts stores.

Do you mean the EV1 from the 90's?

 

[Shane 69 Hugger]

Guess some of us DO KNOW MORE THAN THE CAR COMPANIES!

 

[cherokeepeople]

Do you mean the EV1 from the 90's?

yup thats the one,for some reason i was thinking it was back in the late 70's

 

[427L88]

Related but not so much, the experts ( see Shane's comment above) in NY want to rid us of gas appliances by 2030. Its not like we sit on the massive Utica shale gas field or anything.

 

[Cam]

I can think of two compelling reasons for car companies to be seduced (induced?) into the EV world. For one, you don't need to run an 80,000 mile emissions test on hundreds of different ICE drivetrain combos, nor do they need to pay a gas guzzler tax. Those 2 items right there have been giving engineers and executives grey hair for a generation. So wear them down with creeping legislation and after a while it is clear that the standards set cannot be attained, forcing carmakers to acquiesce.
Another compelling reason: Tesla. This non-car company capture many early adopters. We've all heard of David and Goliath...

EVs are more of a modular chassis, with battery weight carried down low for a good center of gravity. That modular approach will lend itself well to the capricious tastes of consumers, flip-flopping from SUV to light duty pickup to an AWD performance sedan or retro vehicle. Or something yet to be seen.


In Canada Trudeau has decreed that the end of ICE new vehicles comes in 2035. What the hell an I going to do with my clutch foot?