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As a 69 Cutlass S owner pretty impressed with the 350’s performance. Better reactions and the Chevy would have had all three, but the Olds times seem impressive. Keeping my highway gears on mine, but impressed with the potential.
 

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No offense.....but that video is omitting several key facts, most notably how modified that Olds likely is. To be more blunt, it's not close to stock. (Frankly....that video is a joke.)
I really like 68-72 Cutlasses.....but if you keep lining up against Chevelles with 454s in them, you're gonna get crushed. By a lot and every time.........unless there is something wrong with the 454 or it's a smog/truck motor.
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You’re probably right.
I don’t know what “stock” allows, Cams headers? But the olds had a 3.73 vs 3.31 in the Chevy. Chevy 400lbs heavier, and the article did mention the thm350 was more efficient than the thm400.
LS5 365/465. 350 was 310/390. Could see it being closer than one might think. And the Oldsmobile driver was better off the line.
Maybe the Chevy driver weighed 300 and the Olds guy weighed 120.
 

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While the class has "stock" in it's name, the cars are anything but stock...but that's the way it goes.

If you were to take your actually stock, 1969 Cutlass S to the track....and you can launch the car without spinning the tires....and your carb & distributor were both tuned well, it would probably run mid-to-high 15s at around 90 MPH.

That's just my opinion/guess.....and I've been wrong lots of times before.

Video aside, a 1969 Cutlass S is a nice ride. Buddy had one in 1988 and 1989. Red with black interior and black vinyl top. Very sharp car.
 
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greybeard., we have a section "Bench Racing" for this kind of stuff. moving there.
 

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I think the driver of the Cutlass would've won even if they had switched cars IMO.As soon as the green light lit the Cutty was already gone and the Chevelle driver was playing catch-up in all 3 races.
 

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70 Cutlass with a hi-po 350 was running low 13's years ago at the pure stock drags.

 

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Did some searching around and found a 2014 post by Casey Marks on a vintage Oldsmobile website. The 12.82 @ 107.95 he referenced was from the 2004 Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags in Stanton Michigan.


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Whatcha wanna know ?


Yes, the Sherwood Green F85 W-31 was mine. It's best was [email protected] in Certified, Pure Stock Drags attire. It was a TH350 / 4.66 "O" axle combo. I did sell it, and the subsequent owner wanted the original 3.91's back in. He proceeded to change cams and God knows what else and successfully slowed the car down by half a second. Go figure ......

And Yes, Jack Marks is my uncle, and successfully campaigned W-31's for prominent Olds dealers in Michigan. And contrary to popular belief, he had absolutely nothing to do with my car. Parts, knowledge, etc. I was on my own. Lots of time behind the wheel and under the hood. And unlike a lot of guys, my times were run with a single point 1111975 distributor tuned by myself, no dyno time, and no LM1 or other "sniffer"..... Just good old fashioned plug reading. No fancy pants QJet tuner-guy. Just me. No lightweight internal TH350. The combo just really came together as a killer W-31 package.

As far as cam specs, aren't factory W-31 camshaft specifications readily available ?


PS - I have located his '68 Ebony Black F85 RamRod. Found this past summer. I found his '70 F85 W-31 a few years ago, and it is virtually junk. Tough life ..... His '69 Lines Olds W-31 was turned back into the dealership, sold to a young kid that decided to try to outrun a train track crossing. Train won.

Anyway, I had a ton of fun with my W-31 and have even thought about building a "Round 2" motor, maximizing all of the things I left on the table on my first go-round. Unfortunately, no car to put it in. Kinda necessary.
 

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Folks....those 12.82 and low 13 second runs are done by cars that are NOT remotely close to stock....despite what the name of the racing series/class implies.

To get a 350 in an A-Body to run that quick within the class rules is very impressive. Utmost respect to those guys for doing so.

But stock....it is not.

When those cars rolled off the showroom floor, they were mid to high 15 second cars......like every other A Body with their brand's hi performance 350 between the fenders.
 
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CC'ing the heads is a huge help. Next up is making a free flowing 2 1/2 inch exhaust system out of mandrel bends. I bought the pieces I needed from JC Whitney. Pop rivet them in place, then take the pipes off the car and have them welded. Clamps are heavy and crimp the pipe. You don't want that. Stainless Dynomax are the best flowing mufflers and reasonably quiet. An X pipe somewhere in the middle works wonders helping exhaust flow and keeping the noise down at the same time. Heat risers are nice for warming your car up in the winter, not so much at the track. Make sure your carb throttle plated open fully, even if you have to take out those pretty accessory floor mats you just paid 75 dollars for. Another thing, stereo systems won't make a car go faster, no matter how much they cost. Weight is your enemy, unless you need it in the trunk for traction, but that's not often necessary when using reproduction Goodyear or Firestone bias ply tires. If you thought radials were expensive, wait till you price those bias plys. Wow! G70 15's if your car had 15 inch tires as an option, if not, G70 x 14's is second best. If you wanna get serious, retard the stock camshaft 2 to 4 degrees. That will kill off low speed tire spin and add to the top end power.

If you have cowl induction, anything you can do to get more cold air into the carb helps. Try to cut down on the air flow into the car through the dash air vents. Whether that's legal or not depends if anyone notices it.
 

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The 69 el Camino I have now has a stock 1978 454 with 781 heads. It was a long time since I drove a big block. I am amazed at the raw power of this engine.. My elco pretty much takes anything that lines up with me, that is if I can keep the wheels from spinning. As soon as i feel that loss of traction I just shut it down..
What makes the el Camino different and better is the big A.O. Smith #1942 frame under it.. This frame only came in 68-72 el Caminos and 69-72 Pontiac Grand Prix, Model J..
 

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Gene, those tricks can be used in FAST class racing, Factory APPEARING Stock Tire. I don't believe they are allowed in Pure Stock must be pretty much just what the name implies. They have a long list of rules Rules
 
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