someone that knows absolutely nothing about tools or any kind of repair work? I'm in that situation now. Young guy, dad died when he was a kid, grew up in a house full of women. He really seems to want to learn but it scares me to see him walk with a screwdriver in his hand.
ever work in a shop with....
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Is this how my wife feels when I offer to help her on a project?
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Starting with a clean slate!
#1. All tools get cleaned and put in their proper place after use!
#2. Shop floor is cleaned at regular intervals to prevent migration of the mess!
From that point on it is easy!:thumbsup::yes:
#1. All tools get cleaned and put in their proper place after use!
#2. Shop floor is cleaned at regular intervals to prevent migration of the mess!
From that point on it is easy!:thumbsup::yes:
I absolutely do and maybe got a larger dose than you. Between 1993 and 1997 I went threw a 8000 hour UAW/US Labor Board Tool and Die program. There was 6 of us and due to equal rights laws they had to pick a woman from the plant. She had worked in a sewing machine factory previous and no mechanical aptitude. She had no idea of why it was important to keep things square and when I quit 98 after we all graduated she still didn't know how to square a block. She was one of two women in Tn. that had a Labor board tool and die card and didn't have a clue to what she was doing. She's still doing it today I can only hope she knows more about machining than when I left.:sad: I'm not a sexiest and I helped her all I could. She just didn't grasp it.
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Its a great opportunity to teach the kid how to do things the right way and not the typical "get it in, get it out" way. Teach him the "fast and efficient" way. Johhny is spot on with his comment. After every use the tools should be cleaned and put back in their place and never have a filthy work area. One of my pet peeves. I remember hen I was that guy,it wasnt that long ago when I really think about it. Try not to be too hard on him if he really does want to learn, some people just take a little more teaching than others. Good luck with him!
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Ahhhh, jealousy rears it's ugly head. lYeah. At my work we call them ENGINEERS. l
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I've taught many padouin learners in my short 11-year career and there are a few things I would encourage regardless of the type of skilled trade you're in. #1 is to teach him to try and anticipate, look at least 1 or 2 steps ahead and other possible things in the way/things needing a solution. #2 is to ask a question especially if it's a critical or expensive component and possibly pertinent to his and others' safety.
Keep him learning, safe, and interested and he'll be well on his way to a fulfilling and productive experience. The more patient you are with him, and enthusiastic in your own explanations and work, the better, more efficient and appreciative he will be of your help and experience. I've learned that good working friends are the most productive and happy people there.
Keep him learning, safe, and interested and he'll be well on his way to a fulfilling and productive experience. The more patient you are with him, and enthusiastic in your own explanations and work, the better, more efficient and appreciative he will be of your help and experience. I've learned that good working friends are the most productive and happy people there.
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The one that I remember the most is when a young dumb azz was hired.He played the game that he knew it all,but didn't know anything.He pulled the front end off a Chevy truck and moved the tower to the truck to pull the frame on the right front.He didnt adjust the tower down or chain between pots to center the tower. He broke 2 towers,didn't chain the truck down and sent clamps flying around the shop.He also used the wrong clamps.If you were hit by a flying clamp it would kill you.I was working on the left front of the car next to him.When he overloaded the 1st tower and the cylinder blew,I was soaked with oil also.The last I heard of him,he was working at a dealership and was being fired because about a dozen cars had to be repainted because of him.He is not a painter,never did find out what he did.As far as training this guy,NO WAY,he's going to kill somebody someday
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much much better than someone who knows it all. I am an engineer. couple of years ago we had a "draftsman" hired who came in and "knew it all". A real "dog and pony" show this guy. It took 3 people about a month to straighten out the mess that guy created in 6 months from "knowing it all". Thank goodness it was all on paper and not a bunch of wasted steel....mentor that young man if you can stand it....
I'm not jealous of guys who can't understand the difference between AutoCAD and the real world. That don't understand why my 6" long boring bar can't get to the bottom of an 8" deep hole. Chips NEVER get in the way when they run the simulation on their computer. Tools never wear out. And when something goes wrong, their first reaction is to jump to the LEAST likely, MOST expensive explaination.Ahhhh, jealousy rears it's ugly head. l
Now is your chance to impact this young man's life in so many ways. That impact can be super positive or that impact can be tearing him down. You decide. He's not had the easiest life up to this point.
You didn't say he was a cocky kid, he's justa kid with little or no experience.
How I wish I had a positive mentor when I was that age.
You didn't say he was a cocky kid, he's justa kid with little or no experience.
How I wish I had a positive mentor when I was that age.
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I just had this conversation with an engineer, except it was notching off a "nub" on the inside of an extruded aluminum mullion 24 FEET long
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We have one of those guys and even Worse he is someone who know's EVERYTHING about anything..
I'm the newby in this case. I moved from a GM dealer (slated to close) to a Nissan dealer. Different computer system, different parts cataloging system, different almost everything. It's a real shocker from being an expert to being nearly clueless. Been here 3 weeks and I'm starting to feel a little comfortable, but in no way think I could be left alone on a saturday.
In June 2008, I moved from one GM dealer to another, and it was about as seamless as possible. I immediately was one of the faster/better/more accurate guys and was sad to leave. It's nice knowing what the heck you're doing while at work.
In June 2008, I moved from one GM dealer to another, and it was about as seamless as possible. I immediately was one of the faster/better/more accurate guys and was sad to leave. It's nice knowing what the heck you're doing while at work.
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