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:cool: Consider the likelihood of the lip of the manhole cover being beaten into submission by repeated pummeling from vehicle tires. The surviving portion of the manhole cover then falls into the manhole. Subsequent vehicles hit the open manhole causing damage to the vehicle, not to mention drivers losing control of their vehicles and collisions resulting.

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:cool: Consider the likelihood of the lip of the manhole cover being beaten into submission by repeated pummeling from vehicle tires. The surviving portion of the manhole cover then falls into the manhole. Subsequent vehicles hit the open manhole causing damage to the vehicle, not to mention drivers losing control of their vehicles and collisions resulting.

Lawyers love these kind of screwups. Sue everybody and collect from somebody.
Not likely. The lip on the top manhole cover that the lid sets on is very thick, heavy iron which would take a couple of hundred years to wear down and the lids fit tight enough to not move any by being ran over plus the manhole lid is too big to fall into the manhole.

Of course I'm talking about manholes around Kansas City which I know about from being a plumber and having to remove many manhole lids in over 40 years. ( I remember the first time when I found out that the lid couldn't fall into the manhole like I was afraid it would)
 

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Not likely. The lip on the top manhole cover that the lid sets on is very thick, heavy iron which would take a couple of hundred years to wear down and the lids fit tight enough to not move any by being ran over plus the manhole lid is too big to fall into the manhole.

Of course I'm talking about manholes around Kansas City which I know about from being a plumber and having to remove many manhole lids in over 40 years. ( I remember the first time when I found out that the lid couldn't fall into the manhole like I was afraid it would)
:cool: With all respect, in my former life as a municipal employee I have witnessed the lips pounded off the covers and the covers falling into the manhole and drivers striking the open manhole and ties popping and wheels bent and crashes, and no, the lids (around here) fit nicely down the manholes once the lips are ponded off.
 

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:cool: With all respect, in my former life as a municipal employee I have witnessed the lips pounded off the covers and the covers falling into the manhole and drivers striking the open manhole and ties popping and wheels bent and crashes, and no, the lids (around here) fit nicely down the manholes once the lips are ponded off.
I had it happen to me when living in Connecticut in '84. Manhole cover was missing (have no idea where it was), but I blew out the tire, bent the rim, and did undercarriage damage. It was ugly. Brand new car (Ford Escort) and did close to 3k in damage and I was only doing 35 mph.
 

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I always tell city and state people to lawyer up as that's where it going. Back in 2015 they re-did all our local street and created a flood zone in the middle of the block. The city engineer told me I was wrong, I told him in front of the council that I have footage of past flooding on our street and you moved it to the middle of the block. When we had a 4" blast of rain a year later I recorded it and found the other video form years past, the look on the councils faces was priceless when they watched it and I also threatened the city lawyer with a huge lawsuit if my basement ever floods as there have been 2 10" rain storms in the past that Iived through and we never had water in our basement. The 4" rain storm was half way up into my neighbors yard on both sides of the street. Seems like most collage people are sure stupid after graduating. They should ask for a refund on their schooling.
This has been going on, for close to forty years in some areas. Living in new mexico, it is very apparent. Look up "practical design" and pete rahn. Although it began before gary johnson. Almost criminal negligence, imho. Skinny shoulders, bad sight lines, poor horizontal and vertical curvature, and the worst - the "flush" median. The flush median is a four lane "project" where there is no separation of opposing lanes of traffic, other than a painted stripe. Where there could have been physical separation. A steady death toll on the road between farmington, and albuquerque. Most of these deaths could have been prevented with proper design, in the beginning.
The general trend in design standards, and in many cases of construction quality - is downward. The mad desire of "planners" to pack everything together very tightly, adds to visual blight and congestion. In their warped minds, everyone is suddenly going to embrace "transit". Over a billion dollars spent, in a poor state, for pet projects for a few rich niche groups. A train, a spaceport, and most recently - a bus lane in albuquerque. All completely un neccessary.
 

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A steady death toll on the road between farmington, and albuquerque. Most of these deaths could have been prevented with proper design, in the beginning.

I think the lack of respect for the basic laws of the road is killing way more people then bad road design. Posted speed limits, try do that on any hyway, or actually stopping at a stop sign. Traffic lights are only a suggestion, tailgating, crazy vehicle modifications (Carolina squatted trucks) just to name a few.
 

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State of Ohio did a project turning a two lane to a four lane. All manhole are in the right lane wheel track and very uneven. Everyone drives in the left lane even the slow pokes.
 
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