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Tried to take advantage of the good October air and pick up a new personal best at the track last night and am now instead looking at what to do with the broken teeth on the side gears in the Eaton posi carrier.

Got a year and half out of this rebuild, but might have pushed it too far. The DA was down to 8,000 ft (great for Denver) and I went one size smaller on blower pulley (from 9 to 11 lbs.) and took my personal best from 10.59 to 10.42, as in signature. Next run I spun badly in part because the temperature was down to 48-50 degrees and hit the rev limiter. Next run a loud clunk at the line as it hooked, so limped off the track.

A part of the problem may be that I went to a Hoosier DOT drag radial a couple of weekends ago, which dead hook, instead of the bias plies I was using. Hope thats not the problem, or stuck with an expensive, recurring problem. Will certainly take the boost back down to 9 lbs.

Should I just change the side gears as ring/pinion look good, clean the housing as Strange axles w/ C clip eliminators have separate grease, and run the last four race days of the year, or go thru the entire unit, which requires R and R instead of just carrying the carrier into the shop for sidegears and clutches, and will probably miss next weekends racing - both days. Will check the backlash, but expect it to be within spec.

Engine is about 725 HP and pushing the Eaton carrier's limits, but footbrake at only 2400 RPM which is still a pretty soft hit, or so I want to think.

Could do a Moroso Brute Strenth unit or another type after the season, but want to make this weekends racing, but don't want to do something dumb either. Hope its not going to be an ongoing issue with the dead hook type tires. A new personal best doesn't seem so important now, but it may not have had anything do two with 2 more pounds of boost or the DOT radials, but those were the recent changes.
 

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I had the moroso brute in my wifes 67 camaro, it only ran 10.90 on T-brake. She beat it to death for 4 years without a single issue. I put the detroit locker in my chevelle but I didn't like how it unlocked-locked going down the road when letting up on the gas then giving it gas, it made the car jump. So any street/strip car in the future will have the moroso unit.....

Also, if I remember right, they did/do have 2 options, I put the one with really heavy springs in it.

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Much appreciate the replies. Like hearing I can just change the spider gears and go again. The backlash is .005, but concern will be whether I can get the carrier back in the housing as sometimes a housing spreader is used, and have only seen it done.

The car is driven on the street, mostly roundtrip to the track and the occasional cruise-in. Sorry to learn the Moroso brute strength unit is only available in 30 spline; thats what I currently have and had considered going with more spline on next complete rebuild.

Don't know if the "dead-hook" DOT radials were a part of this, but sequence was questionable as only a couple of race days on the tires before the drivers-side spider gear broke.

I"ll try prying out the carrier and look at the bearings. Everything else looks good besides the spider gears.
 

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Much appreciate the replies. Like hearing I can just change the spider gears and go again. The backlash is .005, but concern will be whether I can get the carrier back in the housing as sometimes a housing spreader is used, and have only seen it done.

The car is driven on the street, mostly roundtrip to the track and the occasional cruise-in. Sorry to learn the Moroso brute strength unit is only available in 30 spline; thats what I currently have and had considered going with more spline on next complete rebuild.

Don't know if the "dead-hook" DOT radials were a part of this, but sequence was questionable as only a couple of race days on the tires before the drivers-side spider gear broke.

I"ll try prying out the carrier and look at the bearings. Everything else looks good besides the spider gears.

It makes sense, it does plant the driver side harder. Try stiffening the passenger side up to keep the load even.
 

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The other bad thing about the moroso brute strength is it is not rebuildable like the eaton. If you want to stick to a differential I would go with a true-trac. Otherwise just stick a spool in it.

I have run the true-trac for 4 years now with no issues.
 

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Much appreciate the replies. Like hearing I can just change the spider gears and go again. The backlash is .005, but concern will be whether I can get the carrier back in the housing as sometimes a housing spreader is used, and have only seen it done.

The car is driven on the street, mostly roundtrip to the track and the occasional cruise-in. Sorry to learn the Moroso brute strength unit is only available in 30 spline; thats what I currently have and had considered going with more spline on next complete rebuild.

Don't know if the "dead-hook" DOT radials were a part of this, but sequence was questionable as only a couple of race days on the tires before the drivers-side spider gear broke.

I"ll try prying out the carrier and look at the bearings. Everything else looks good besides the spider gears.
That backlash measurement sounds too tight to me. I'm not saying that it has anything to do with the spider gears letting go, but does anyone else here think that a .005" backlash setting is another accident waiting to happen? The only backlash specs that I remember dealing with were .008"- .012", and .010"- .012" so I'm thinking that .005" is a bit tight. A tighter than normal backlash setting can cause overheating of the ring gear teeth due to the sliding operation of ring and pinion gears since they're of a Hypoid design.That might not matter in a drag race (I'm not sure though) but the overheating of the gear teeth during the drive to and from the track can eventually weaken them, and in turn cause a breakage at the track during the high stress of launching. What brand of gears do you have? Are they Richmond?

On a positive note concerning the brute Force units, they use H-11 tool steel hardened spider gears, according to Moroso, so that might be a plus for you. But if you choose to purchase one, also take note that Moroso recommends that you use their "climbing gear Lube" gear oil ONLY for these units, and they also don't recommend them for street driving because of chattering around turns.
 

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I was under the impression that you could buy the side gears from Moroso for your posi also....???
 

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Doesn't the moroso unit limit you to 30 spline axles?

Moser told me some years ago that the Eaton posi's are good for up to about 600 ft lbs torque with slicks at the track and much more than that should be cause for considering a spool.

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Doesn't the moroso unit limit you to 30 spline axles?

Moser told me some years ago that the Eaton posi's are good for up to about 600 ft lbs torque with slicks at the track and much more than that should be cause for considering a spool.

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That has been my experience :D

Stick a spool in it and don't look back if it is primarily a track car.
 

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Moser told me some years ago that the Eaton posi's are good for up to about 600 ft lbs torque with slicks at the track and much more than that should be cause for considering a spool.

mike
Yep, but there's always a the Locker choice too. But if it's mostly a drag car anyway, then I agree that a spool is best.
 

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Great info on TC again, when trying to make the last weekend of racing here. What to do will be driven by the time available of local rebuilders to do a spool this week, or if I put new side gears/spiders in myself. Feeling pretty confident in the backlash at .005 as it has almost two full seasons on it since last rebuild. The gears are Yukon, installed at a shop that mostly does 9 inchers, but tolerates my 12 bolts.

Will certainly be making calls Monday about hardened side gears/spiders from Moroso, Tom's and Randy's R&P, and contacting Strange. It was the drivers side - side gear that let go, which is loaded harder?

Make a couple highway trips from Denver to Pueblo to race it (200 miles round-trip) so much to learn about spools, etc. If this happens again with new side gears I'll be convinced it was the dead-hook tires.
 
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