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I am not looking for an award winning sound system, just something that sounds half way decent and is fairly consistent with the original look of the car. I have purchased the two post radio from Custom Auto Sound along with the kick panels with the Pioneer speakers for the front (made for AC car). I am thinking I should put a decent amplifier along with a sub and two decent 6x9 speakers in the rear package tray. I would probably mount the sub between the two 6x9's.

Is JL audio stuff any good or does anyone recommend anything else? I prefer to use only one amp so should I go with the 5 channel amplifier? A guy at one of the aftermarket places is telling me the 6 channel amp is the way to go but I think this is more for the high end sound and am not sure if it will support the sub very well.

Thanks for the advice.
 

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Mstehle/Mark - I'm facing a similar question. I want to keep things original, even down to the original AF/FM radio in the dash (have the lights work only) and put a stereo somewhere else that's run remotely. I've purchased some small speakers for under the dash and the kick pannel speakers like you have. I don't want to shake car - nor the people in cars around me (have exhaust/engine that's meant for that). I'm trying to figure out what to purchase. I too had thought about 6X9s in the back and then two mild sub-woofers in the trunk. Wasn't sure if I needed an AMP .. I've been considering a "hidden" audio system. Curious to heare what others have done .. what's in the trunk and what's in the dash/behind the dash...
 

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The first thing you have to consider is what kind of music do you listen to. All CD players/Radios/Speakers have different qualities. I listen to classic rock from about mid sixties to mid seventies and anything thereafter that is dominated by the lead guitarist. I prefer an Alpine head unit and Infinity speakers. They almost are unequalled on the mids and highs but somewhat weak on bass. That is OK for me for me as in my day the bass player was more of a beat keeper with the drummer and organist sharing more of the spotlight.

Unless you want to bounce quarters off the roof of your car buy an amp to reproduce sound clearer at a little more volume. For the average classic car system an amp such as Alpines F250 40x4 /100x2 is a good one for the money. It will take a monster speaker setup to perform at low distortion with much more than this amp can do. Listen to it clear not loud.
 

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Harrod:

I went with the two post radio rather than a hidden system. I just want something to listen to on longer drives and want to maintain the classic look. Like you I don't want to shake the people around me with anything other than the sweet sound of big block horsepower either. :D The head unit I am putting in is AM/FM and it has a connection for an Ipod that I will run into the console. I called JL Audio today and talked with a tech guy about amps and speakers then I went at lunch to listen to some.

The tech guy said their A6450 six channel amp would work well, 4 channels to the speakers and bridge channels 5 and 6 to go to one sub in the trunk. The price for this amp is reasonable too.

I listened to JL and one other brand of speakers and the JL sounded best and were only marginally more expensive. Still deciding but it looks lie I will go with JL. The tech at the aftermarket place was trying to steer me toward a less expensive brand until I told him that unlike the young guys that normally go there I was not looking for the cheapest thing that just sounded loud. I am not afraid to spend a little more to get better quality. he told me the JL stuff was more bullet proof and took the punishment well.

I am old enough to remember puttting a Pioneer AM/FM Cassette and Jensen 6x9's in my cars and those of some friends. I am looking forward to more input from those that have done this more recently.

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The first thing you have to consider is what kind of music do you listen to. All CD players/Radios/Speakers have different qualities. I listen to classic rock from about mid sixties to mid seventies and anything thereafter that is dominated by the lead guitarist. I prefer an Alpine head unit and Infinity speakers. They almost are unequalled on the mids and highs but somewhat weak on bass. That is OK for me for me as in my day the bass player was more of a beat keeper with the drummer and organist sharing more of the spotlight.

Unless you want to bounce quarters off the roof of your car buy an amp to reproduce sound clearer at a little more volume. For the average classic car system an amp such as Alpines F250 40x4 /100x2 is a good one for the money. It will take a monster speaker setup to perform at low distortion with much more than this amp can do. Listen to it clear not loud.
John: What do you think the results would be if I did not go with an amp but just good quality speakers in the kick panel and rear deck? no sub or anything. Will it be sorely lacking? I am 49 so I willl listen to clasic rock, blues, jazz and NPR along with AM radio broadcasts of the Red Sox games in the summer.
 

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I never use an amp any more. Here is what is in my 67 now.

1. Alpine 9870 CD player
2. Infinity 6x9 Rear deck
3. Polk 4x6 Kick Panel
4. Sounds Awesome and produces about all the human ear can hear accurately.

Keep this in mind. The speakers that come installed in kick panels are crap. By them bare and mount your own. Also do not let the original look keep you from great audio reproduction. The repros that fit are very weak so I mounted mine under the dash. I make too many long trips. It will take good equipment to make the Red Sox sound good!

If I can help let me know. I have done about 20 of these basic systems and have tried just about everybodys stuff. You are old enough when you remember a Chrome Craig 8 track and chrome Craig 6" in the door. Yeah I am one of those guys who cut all those holes in the doors.
 

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I never use an amp any more. Here is what is in my 67 now.

1. Alpine 9870 CD player
2. Infinity 6x9 Rear deck
3. Polk 4x6 Kick Panel
4. Sounds Awesome and produces about all the human ear can hear accurately.

Keep this in mind. The speakers that come installed in kick panels are crap. By them bare and mount your own. Also do not let the original look keep you from great audio reproduction. The repros that fit are very weak so I mounted mine under the dash. I make too many long trips. It will take good equipment to make the Red Sox sound good!

If I can help let me know. I have done about 20 of these basic systems and have tried just about everybodys stuff. You are old enough when you remember a Chrome Craig 8 track and chrome Craig 6" in the door. Yeah I am one of those guys who cut all those holes in the doors.
John, thanks for your help:

"The speakers that come installed in kick panels are crap." Yeah I was planning on changing out the speakers in the kicks.

"The repros that fit are very weak so I mounted mine under the dash." I have read where they improved the specs and are better than they used to be. I really didn't want to go under dash but can if the repro doesn't cut it. Thats why I was going to put an amp in to help boost the signal and hopefully clean it up some.

"It will take good equipment to make the Red Sox sound good!" C'mon now, don't be hatin' on the Sox. :p How do the Rangers sound on your system? :D. Seriously I only need to get the signal. I am not hopeful that it will sound any good.

"You are old enough when you remember a Chrome Craig 8 track and chrome Craig 6" in the door." Oh yeah I seriously remember the Craig. I helped my buddy Peter Dolan put one in his GTO. Didn't cut the doors up though. Just went with the Jensens in the rear deck. I think we wore out two copies of Frampton Comes Alive. Man am I old.
 

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Mark I am going to give you your props. Anybody with a NY address that supports the Red Sox is a real fan. Most of my life I have been a true Yankees fan but Steinbrenner changed all that. My loyalty was based on the 60-62 teams with play by play with Pee Wee Reese and Dizzy Dean. The Texas Rangers exist only to Well I am not really sure.

I hope I am wrong but I am afraid you will be disappointed in your radio. My best friend put one in his 66 and hooked his I Pod up and it is terrible. The FM modulation is sketchy at best and I am not sure an amp will cure what ails it. It plays great in his new truck. Keep in mind a good Alpine CD player is $110 and a good amp is about $200. Cut your losses and sell it to someone you do not like. Fake being sick when you are supposed to take someone out to eat to absorb the loss.

I am enjoying chatting with you but you better switch to E-mail as I am sure we are boring the masses.
 

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I am using the jl audio a6450 in my 72 and it sounds great. I have my head unit in my trunk that runs off of an infared repeater that I have mounted under the dash. I ran my satelite radio into my center console. I control everything with a remote and you can't even see a difference. Most people wouldn't even notice the sat. radio antenna unless i pointed it out. good luck.
 

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Purchase a good 5 or 6 channel amp. It will play your whole system. I reccommend the ARC KS900.6. Its got 100 x 4 for your fronts and rears and 500 watts for the subs. Most other 5/6 channnel amps don't have enough power on the sub channels and you will be disappointed. Consider the Arc 6 channel. It's a great buy.
 

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I dont want to offend anybody but....if you have any taste for quality sound you will be very dissapointed in the Custom Autosound equiptment. I had one of their upper end decks and cd changer with ipod hookups. There was nothing acceptable about the sound quality, FM reception, signal to noise ratio etc. I called them and returned it all. I wound up with a typical system. I hope this helps, Mike
 

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I heard the Turnswitch conversion at CarCraft in a guys car. I thought it was a hidden system in the glovebox. Owner said he had tried others and loves this system and it looks stock. I have an AM radio that I'm getting converted and will run in my wagon.
 

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I dont want to offend anybody but....if you have any taste for quality sound you will be very dissapointed in the Custom Autosound equiptment. I had one of their upper end decks and cd changer with ipod hookups. There was nothing acceptable about the sound quality, FM reception, signal to noise ratio etc. I called them and returned it all. I wound up with a typical system. I hope this helps, Mike
Mike; No offense taken. I have heard questionable things about the Custom Auto Sound head unit too and then I heard they have improved it too and added more power output. Certainly there are better options, although I am not aware of a two post option where I wouldn't have to cut the dash. I am hoping the two post head unit going to a good amp, and good rear speakers and a sub will give acceptable sound. The kick panels have a fairly cheap set of Pioneer 6.5" speakers in them and this is about the only option because of the depth of the speaker. JL Audio and other 6.5" speakers will not work, too deep. I didn't want to chop into the metal behind the kick panel either.

I know I may end up putting a different head unit in but will go this way for now. I wish there was a better option for a two post head unit that wlll fit in the dash and I would go that way.

Although there will be times we will want tunes, I really will be fine with longer trips without high tech tunes as this is time for self reflection and also listening to the sweet tune of the 540 with the 3" Pypes exhaust system with Race Pro mufflers. ;)
 

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I am running a great sounding radio delete plate...:D My plan is to use the ash tray as a hidden docking station for an iPod and run a hidden amp and some clean looking speakers that will be somewhat hidden... thats the plan anyway ... for now I just listen to the exhaust....:thumbsup:
 

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Mark,

I'll try to keep this short as possible since could write novels about 12V sound systems and it's a topic I enjoy. Having been a competition audio guy/installer (paid my way through college!) I hope I can provide some assistance below.

Let me first say "audio" is very subjective for everyone. Opinions will ALWAYS vary.

I'll put together some suggestions for a setup trying to keep costs low but value and sound quality high. Here's where i'm headed with my setup. p.s. I listen to all types of music from rock -> hip pop -> jazz -> NPR

1. Front Speaker Mounting - purchase custom kick panels. maybe something like this. with this option you're not cutting anything original and you can remove it later. also, kick panels are fairly easy to make if you're handy with fiberglass, wood, cloth, and some backstraps. q-logic may also make some kick panes - not too sure.
Cost: Not sure from $30 to $120 is my guess... need to do my own research too

2. Front Speakers - if you're concerned about sound staging then you'll want separately mounted tweeters and mount them as far from your ear as possible and closest towards the front. i don't personally think staging is all that important so i'm going to mount my tweeters in the kick panels as well. i don't want to drill holes in my doors or door panels.

separates or components? the sound variance at cruising speeds is negligible to me. at competition sound levels - HUGE difference.
Cost: Craigslist! $100 est.

3. Rear Speakers - Unlike others, I like 6x9's. They're sorta the red headed step child i've noticed in the industry. Whatever, I like them because they're cheap and they provide full bass. I'm not looking to get quality reproduction of Whitney Houston's voice from those puppies - that's what the front speakers are for. Get a two-way or separates. The 3-way or 4-way junk that's out there are gimicks imho. They tend to be much too bright sounding. You can also choose to go with a 6.5" in the back also. Have them back-mounted under the tray and the sound come through carpet or the perforated vinyl for a stealth install. You don't want to hear too much highs coming from the back anyway (at least I don't).
Cost: Don't know, I haven't shopped around for 6x9's in a while

4. Subwoofer - I personally feel a subwoofer completes the system. You don't know what you're missing until you've had a car with one. I'm not talking jumping pennies on your trunk lid, just enjoyable and full sound. If the 6x9's aren't enough for you test out 1 8" sub. I went with JL in my day. JL was moderately priced, very accurate, and very efficient with power/wattage. I would go with 2 8"s myself but I only have 2 10" or 1 12" sitting in my garage. I may end up going with 1 10" in a sealed .5 cubic ft box. It should keep the boomy-ness to a minimum and still be accurate.
Cost: I've seen these go as cheap as $50 each in the recycler or craigslist.

5. Amplifier - 30W RMS each speaker is probably all you need to power the inside 4 corners. As long as your speakers are relatively efficient you'll have plenty of distortion free volume. You can choose to power the inside speakers with the headunit but the distortion will kill your speakers at high volume. (Even if you don't hear it, they are probably distorting and your voice coils will die a quick death). If you plan to go with a subwoofer and if you plan to use a Bazooka or a JL, both relatively efficient, then you can budget for 50-100watts of RMS power to each woofer. This has to be clean power from good amps. Not the 1000watt gimicks you see on swap meet brands.

Now onto the subject of # of channels... With my last humble competition level setup, at the time, I went with a good 4 way 100w X 4 channel amplifier powering 12 speakers (3 way separates in front, 6.5" separates in back, and two JL W0 10"). All interior cabin speakers ran off of two channels and the other two channels were bridged to power the subs. It sounded awesome. My point is... this effectively made for a budget 3-channel setup. I spent my money on quality components, and gave up some flexibility with the # of channels. If you decide to go this route, you save money by only having to buy 1 amp (in most cases as some choose to run a dedicated sub amp) and is less installation hassle by only wiring up 1 amp. Just make sure you purchase a good amp and it is 1-2ohm stable. I had a mcIntosh. hehekekeke. I miss that bad boy so much!

you lose front to back fader with this setup but I don't know too many guys messing with their center balance or fader anyway. I normally just use an in-line resistor to attenuate the rear speakers to my desired staging. If you really want front/rear fading capability then you will lose stereo left/right. Normally, 99% of the people going this route chooses the stereo left/right option. On drawback, you'll need passive crossovers to manage the crossover points in this setup. You won't have much flexibility if you decide to add an electronic crossover later on. Again, this is a budget setup and you'll have to compromise.
Cost: $100 (if you're lucky on Craigslist), $250 and up if you buy brand new.

6. Head unit - Plug for my buddy Steve Brown at Alpine! I still think they make the best headunits so I'm biased. I will probably end up mounting my headunit where most people mount the 3 gauges, under the dash. I want a radio delete plate or perhaps i'll relocate the gauges up top. Anyway, radio low level signal makes or breaks a system. Garbage in, Garbage Out. Any modern headunits will produce quality source signal. Start with Alpine then work your way down to Pioneer, Kenwood, Sony, etc.
Cost: $150-up

Stick with decent quality products for the solid state devices (amps, headunits, crossovers, etc). Alpine, Pioneer, Kenwood, Clarion, or Sony - in ranked order. I would not waste your money on JVC, Jensen or the other Pep Boys brands. Unless you want your car to sound how it really soundeed in the 60's. Ok i'm kidding but usually it's not worth the 25-35% you're saving. You have more selections with speaker brands. I guess what I should have asked you is how much you're willing to spend. :D

Once I get my 200-4R Tranny installed and I rig up a decent security system next will come my stereo setup. Luckily I have spare parts enough for 3 cars probably. I'll have to see what fits best where. I'll update my sig once I get that done so maybe you guys can see what you don't_want/want in your own setup.

Hope this helps!

UPDATE: I found this pic of Robert's install. See custom kick panels and radio install. Even this is much too overboard for my purposes but he did a clean install. :thumbsup:
 

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If you read my so many posts you are just confirming what I have been trying to convince these guys of. So many want good sound reproduction but are unwilling to sacrifice an original look for it. They continue to buy the crap from Custom Autosound that they have been told perform poorly and believe that by adding an amp or upgraded speakers you will improve the situation. When that fails they hook up an I pod which is FM modulated and with almost non existent FM sensitvity it only gets worse.

Excellent post with a lot of good info. Play it LOUD but accurately.
 

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I've struggled trying to find a decent two pole headunits like Custom Autosound's offering. I don't care about all the fancy LCD displays... I just want good source signal. Kenwood use to offer one with at least a pre-amp RCA output. Even that was a poor choice though. I think McIntosh use to offer one? I'll keep looking around and if I find one, i'll report back.

On the topic of FM Modulation... FM Modulation is a terrible choice imo. Especially here in LA. The FM band is so congested I can hardly find an empty channel - ok, i CAN NOT find an empty channel. To add to that, MP3 formatted music already strips down the fidelity from a normal wav file so you're losing quality there too (although, i've heard the compression loss is negligible nowadays, but still noticeable. the decrease in file size is much more desirable than the marginal decrease in sound quality).

Anyway, if you want to go iPod in your car... hard wire it via some method or another! It's easy, just find a headunit that has an AUX input or what I did was get a 1/8"-to-RCA combo wire from Radio Shack and mounted it directly to a RCA switch going to my amp (headphone output from iPod -> RCA input in amplifier). This was a ghetto hack I needed temporarily but it worked decently well. Alpine has several headunits that serve as control units for the iPod - this is pushing it up to the next level esp. if you want iPod controls directly from the headunit itself.

damnit! why can't I keep these posts short! now someone help me tune my carb :)
 
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