[pdvanocudadave]

In april we got in a 2013 Challenger RT and it went into the showroom after it was armor all'd and hand waxed.The build date on the car is april of 2013.Needless to say,the factory paint job is having problems with small circles that the clear is missing and what looks like large dirt spots in the paint.I tried to wet sand and buff a few areas and the base coat washed away with soap and water during clean up.The boss would not let me strip the paint off the car and told me to use DBC 500,base and clear.What problem will I see in the next few years with this car and a few others?

 

[Dave Birdwell]

None, if you prepped them right... :yes:

 

[Raven1]

What makes you think the factory paint won't fail in other spots besides the ones you are not authorized to fix by your boss? This dump is still using Armor All that you complained about months ago and you are still working there? Sounds like a nice place to buy a new car. Years ago we did a lot of delams for Acura and we were authorized to strip and repair correctly. We got paid for it and did the job as required. What's your shop doing, cutting corners and pocketing the money?

 

[barrrf]

Wait? Armor All is stripping the clear coat off?

 

[1971ss454Elco]

Wait? Armor All is stripping the clear coat off?

X2 I dont get it

 

[pdvanocudadave]

This car was delivered to the shop when the Armor All problem was at its worst.What I think is going on here is the paint is sealed with the hand wax and Armor All,and the thinners and hardners can not excape.It is building up pressure under the sealed paint and when it blows through,it looks like a dirt spot in the paint.Im thinking that the spots where the clear has a small circle are from washing off these spots.The large spots that I tried to wet sand and buff,the base coat looked like it had turned to powder.There was no factory dust in the paint because the car has stripes.I am new to this Armor All and hand wax problems,I have always worked for shops that cared about there work.

 

[Raven1]

In april we got in a 2013 Challenger RT and it went into the showroom after it was armor all'd and hand waxed.The build date on the car is april of 2013.Needless to say,the factory paint job is having problems with small circles that the clear is missing and what looks like large dirt spots in the paint.

This car was delivered to the shop when the Armor All problem was at its worst.What I think is going on here is the paint is sealed with the hand wax and Armor All,and the thinners and hardners can not excape.It is building up pressure under the sealed paint and when it blows through,it looks like a dirt spot in the paint.Im thinking that the spots where the clear has a small circle are from washing off these spots.The large spots that I tried to wet sand and buff,the base coat looked like it had turned to powder.There was no factory dust in the paint because the car has stripes.I am new to this Armor All and hand wax problems,I have always worked for shops that cared about there work.

Factory paint is ready to wax. Something else is going on that you are not describing well. Why did you sand through the clear to the basecoat for buffing? You must like this place because you are still there.

 

[Shootstraight]

For the life of me I don't understand why a professional painter is asking for help on an Internet forum. You should have a relationship with you're jobber tech and your paint rep, each of these can give advice based on all the information. None of us can give complete accurate advice without seeing the car and knowing the process and the materials you use.

 

[Raven1]

For the life of me I don't understand why a professional painter is asking for help on an Internet forum. You should have a relationship with you're jobber tech and your paint rep, each of these can give advice based on all the information. None of us can give complete accurate advice without seeing the car and knowing the process and the materials you use.

Refinish Network is a forum dominated by professionals. That's where one should be asking questions. This is a hobby site.

 

[barrrf]

ORRRRrrrrr send the POS back to Chrysler since it was delivered to you all fooked up in the first place.

 

[Shootstraight]

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Refinish Network is a forum dominated by professionals. That's where one should be asking questions. This is a hobby site.

Maybe for someone who doesn't have a jobber tech or doesn't see a rep much. You still get your Internet keyboard stars who don't have much experience at whatever site they are on. They have a high post count and can sound knowledgeable but in reality they are just repeating what they've read.

If he's at a dealership that doesn't have someone who can step in and advise him, I'd be looking for another paint line. All major paint lines support their product. I can't imagine a major paint line would advise you to use an Internet forum for tech help, unless it was their website.

I've not been to refinish network. So if however it's a site that the major paint companies sponsor and have their own threads with tech help available from the manufacturer then that's a great alternative.

 

[pdvanocudadave]

What looks like a very large dirt spot is pushed up to the surface.When I wet sand and buff it looks fine but it will not hold up to being washed.The base coat and clear wash out of the hole in the primer.The hole does not go down to the metal but I do have to sand the primer.Yesterday I put tape on the lower part of the door to cover the rocker as I buffed.When I pulled the tape off,I pulled another area down to bare primer.It was round and eaten down into the primer.The problems with the wax and Armor all guy are almost over.they moved him up front to pester some one else.As far as talking to the paint rep,the last time I talked to him,he talked about sending my boss to paint school or pulling the PPG paint line from the shop.I will check out refinish network but I have always been able to find the help I need on Team Chevelle

 

[Raven1]

Maybe for someone who doesn't have a jobber tech or doesn't see a rep much. You still get your Internet keyboard stars who don't have much experience at whatever site they are on. They have a high post count and can sound knowledgeable but in reality they are just repeating what they've read.

If he's at a dealership that doesn't have someone who can step in and advise him, I'd be looking for another paint line. All major paint lines support their product. I can't imagine a major paint line would advise you to use an Internet forum for tech help, unless it was their website.

I've not been to refinish network. So if however it's a site that the major paint companies sponsor and have their own threads with tech help available from the manufacturer then that's a great alternative.

Anyone in this business knows that a forum is just a starting point. And if you know the people on a site and have seen their work in person it's more than that. There are employees and shop owners at R.N.. Newbies too and they are often directed to the paint manufacturers and tech classes available. That's what professionals with integrity do, they refer people to the companies and provide info based on facts. If you have not been to R.N. you would not know anything about it. Won't take long to find out who is knowledgeable there. I don't think not being sponsored by a major company makes some of the people there less knowledgeable. The techs are required by the shops to attend classes.

And yes, there are those on every site who pop in with bad advice or info. It's best that those situations are rectified accordingly.

I will check out refinish network but I have always been able to find the help I need on Team Chevelle

Why would a professional ask questions on a site that is primarily hobbiests who have little professional experience? How many guys here own there own collision shops or work for someone with mutiple booths painting all day, every day? Nor are there many resto shop owners offering advice here compared to R.N.. Reps also don't drop in at a hobbiests house to see if there needs are fulfilled. Where's your rep on all your issues with this? What was your procedure at the other places your worked?

 

[Shootstraight]

. That's what professionals with integrity do, they refer people to the companies and provide info based on facts.

My point was that for the guy that doesn't visit a site very often, he won't know who those professionals are. It is best to go through your supplier, not hoping you're getting good info from a website.

You have been here (and RN) a while and have a network of people you trust, a lot of folks don't. They drop in when they have a problem and then don't show up for a year.

Just because someone has been to paint school doesn't mean their advice is sound or even relevant for any given situation. Products and procedures change quite often.

And yes I'm a professional, own two shops with 30 employees. Personally certified in four paint lines and spent the first 12 years in business in the paint booth. I'm not a hobbiest because I'm here. Just saying..

 

[Raven1]

Just because someone has been to paint school doesn't mean their advice is sound or even relevant for any given situation. Products and procedures change quite often.

That is quite true. There are a couple I've seen on other sites who boast of being to paint school but often provide info that is opposite of the tech sheets and companies. Their statement is "I always did it this way and never had a problem".

I left collison years ago. I rely on my reps and others I trust to keep me updated. Collision and resto work while related to some degree, require updates on products. Custom painting where my primary focus has been needs the same approach.

 

[Shootstraight]

Scott I'll throw this out too, your advice is always sound and this site is better for you sticking around. Thanks for that.

Ok enough man love, gotta go prime some stuff.

Cheers

 

[Tod74]

scott i'll throw this out too, your advice is always sound and this site is better for you sticking around. Thanks for that.

Ok enough man love, gotta go prime some stuff.

Cheers

x2

 

[barrrf]

So why havent you just sent the cars back to Chrysler? Its obviously their screw up?

 

[Raven1]

So why havent you just sent the cars back to Chrysler? Its obviously their screw up?

Cars with paint problems don't get sent back to the factory for repaints. Bodyshops are contracted to do warranty work. As I previously mentioned, we did work for Acura among other paint problems for different cars.

 

[Raven1]

Scott I'll throw this out too, your advice is always sound and this site is better for you sticking around. Thanks for that.

Ok enough man love, gotta go prime some stuff.

Cheers

x2

Thank you. I don't know everything.