[nakamura_racing_sports]

How's this guy taking a shot at John Force and saying he's throwing rounds?

 

[Mike]

When Tony's car was just the test car ,he (Tony) was throwing rounds.

 

[nastynate]

sure seems like it.

 

[nakamura_racing_sports]

Wow, it's getting a little heated...lol Crap and I gotta leave the house. The final shall be interesting, especially if they air any more comments by the Pedregons

 

[Mike]

HUM ,might have to turn on the TV.

WOW ,didn't know all this was going on ,thought Jay just heard a random comment.
There's just about to go to blows, AH Tony can take him :yes:

 

[von]

Tony Pedregon was right and TV announcer Mike Dunn agreed. Ray Charles could see Force threw that race. "Cuts" a .209 light and drives (under control) immediately out of the groove which put it up in smoke. He was smart. Set the car up for a normal run so NHRA can't find anything when reviewing the computer data, and they didn't. NHRA says they couldn't find anything conclusive that he threw the race. Of course not, it's almost impossible to prove beyond a doubt. Can't blame Force entirely for this "business" decision but it's still wrong and bad for the sport. If we want that we could watch WWF. His denial and threats to Tony afterward were completely out of line and he should get suspended and fined IMO for that. I don't understand how he could do something that blatantly wrong (violates an NHRA rule) and get so hot defending it. If he gets anything from NHRA it will be a slap on the wrist, MAYBE a fine (won't hurt his wallet any) and probation. What respect I had for Force is gone now. Too bad it reflects on his entire team.

 

[trmnatr]

Tony Pedregon was right and TV announcer Mike Dunn agreed. Ray Charles could see Force threw that race. "Cuts" a .209 light and drives (under control) immediately out of the groove which put it up in smoke. He was smart. Set the car up for a normal run so NHRA can't find anything when reviewing the computer data, and they didn't. NHRA says they couldn't find anything conclusive that he threw the race. Of course not, it's almost impossible to prove beyond a doubt. Can't blame Force entirely for this "business" decision but it's still wrong and bad for the sport. If we want that we could watch WWF. His denial and threats to Tony afterward were completely out of line and he should get suspended and fined IMO for that. I don't understand how he could do something that blatantly wrong (violates an NHRA rule) and get so hot defending it. If he gets anything from NHRA it will be a slap on the wrist, MAYBE a fine (won't hurt his wallet any) and probation. What respect I had for Force is gone now. Too bad it reflects on his entire team.

Your missing something, Lets keep the facts straight which the facts are straight.

Facts,,,
- Robert made his fastest runs out of the left lane
- Ashley & John made their fastest pass in the right lane but in round 2 John almost lost in the left lane because he had to pedal it
- Now round 3 comes up which is the semi-final against Robert so John takes the right lane which puts Robert in the left lane
- Top Fuel runs before Funny Car
- Both Top Fuel cars that ran in the semi-final (round 3) in the right lane did about the same thing John Force did

Now the thing that is fishy is the reaction time , Usually race cars are within .010" to .040" between each other in Reaction Times, Now Johns light was not much worse than Roberts light. If John did a .300 and Robert did a .010" that shows it was set up , Now if John did a .300 and Robert did a .280 they are still in the split that almost all Reaction Times are

Now the Reaction Time splits between John and Robert are pretty normal so i dont think John tried doing a bad light

 

[Mike]

And this isn't the first time that Tony & John had this discussion.
Just wasn't on camera previously.

 

[Bob West]

Its all doo doo, go to your local track and watch a 10.5 or drag radial race, now thats racing!!!

 

[CHITOWNHUSTLER]

Terminator, you must be a Force fan your post would certainly indicate that.
There is NO question Force thru the race and it was a decision based on what he
thought was best for his team. I can tell you if I was the CEO of Castrol my name
would be off that car next race.

 

[70SS540]

Its all doo doo, go to your local track and watch a 10.5 or drag radial race, now thats racing!!!

I agree. Support the average racer and the local tracks!

That stuff with Force wasn't good. John Force is great for drag racing but if he is blowing races on purpose, thats real bad for drag racing. His blowup during the interview didnt look good at all. He owes the fans a big apology in my opinion.

 

[trmnatr]

Terminator, you must be a Force fan your post would certainly indicate that.
There is NO question Force thru the race and it was a decision based on what he
thought was best for his team. I can tell you if I was the CEO of Castrol my name
would be off that car next race.

Im not a force fan, I dont give two cents about funny car

What i stated is the facts, If you dont agree with them you didnt watch the show

As I said, Both reaction times were close together. Racers are usually close to each other in R/T , John and Robert were close to each others R/T

As to John spinning, Did you watch Top Fuel? The Top Fuel cars did almost a carbon copy of what John did.

So now after knowing the facts, Where is the proof he threw the race out?

Im not saying he did or didnt, Im saying look at the facts and it looks like he didnt throw the race out.

Looking at the race without knowing the facts looks like he did throw the race out

Please post the evidence where John Force threw the race. NHRA looked at the DATA and for the money they are running for, If he threw the race it would have been over turned so if you have evidence that shows otherwise please post it

Facts,,,
- Robert made his fastest runs out of the left lane
- Ashley & John made their fastest pass in the right lane but in round 2 John almost lost in the left lane because he had to pedal it
- Now round 3 comes up which is the semi-final against Robert so John takes the right lane which puts Robert in the left lane
- Top Fuel runs before Funny Car
- Both Top Fuel cars that ran in the semi-final (round 3) in the right lane did about the same thing John Force did

Now the thing that is fishy is the reaction time , Usually race cars are within .010" to .040" between each other in Reaction Times, Now Johns light was not much worse than Roberts light. If John did a .300 and Robert did a .010" that shows it was set up , Now if John did a .300 and Robert did a .280 they are still in the split that almost all Reaction Times are

Now the Reaction Time splits between John and Robert are pretty normal so i dont think John tried doing a bad light

EDIT: By the way John Force alone has done more for the sport of Professional Drag Racing than NHRA has, If John did not do what he has done there may have been no fuel class cars now

 

[sleeper]

If NHRA had not changed the point system it would have never come to this. It's all about greed and money. NHRA has lost touch with the grass roots racer and are about to lose their fan base as well. Most fans do not understand the point system now, and even last week, in the middle of a season, they decided to give extra points in qualifying. First NHRA created the mess and the racers are the pawns.

I don't think anyone should have more than two cars in any one class. That goes for anyone and any class. If Force and Schumacher were to quit NHRA couldn't even fill the field in a lot of the races.

If the ADRL continues to grow and keep same philosophies they have now the NHRA will go the way of the AHRA in a few years.

 

[von]

Well i agree to support the local racer and track. In fact I don't care that much for the big money "circus" stuff that NHRA promotes. I used to race Stock Elimator, and that and Super Stock is all i really care about. I went out to ORP and watched Pro qualifying Fri night but that's probably the last time due to many factors. I went Weds and watched Stock and Super Stock time trials and that was MUCH more interesting and entertaining to me. But since the Force family circus is about all NHRA shows on TV from the US Nationals I have to watch it if I want to watch the US Nats at all. When it turns into the fiasco it was today where there was so obviously a wrongdoing I just have to comment..

 

[trmnatr]

Terminator, you must be a Force fan your post would certainly indicate that.
There is NO question Force thru the race and it was a decision based on what he
thought was best for his team. I can tell you if I was the CEO of Castrol my name
would be off that car next race.

Based off this I can tell your a fan of T Ped

This is why your not CEO, Force Cars get more media coverage than all other Funny Cars out there combined

 

[trmnatr]

If NHRA had not changed the point system it would have never come to this. It's all about greed and money. NHRA has lost touch with the grass roots racer and are about to lose their fan base as well. Most fans do not understand the point system now, and even last week, in the middle of a season, they decided to give extra points in qualifying. First NHRA created the mess and the racers are the pawns.

I don't think anyone should have more than two cars in any one class. That goes for anyone and any class. If Force and Schumacher were to quit NHRA couldn't even fill the field in a lot of the races.

If the ADRL continues to grow and keep same philosophies they have now the NHRA will go the way of the AHRA in a few years.

You are right the points system has messed things up

Some of you guys need to remember we race because we love to race, These guys race to put food on the table so ask yourself if you would loose your cool over loosing a job. Robert Height is like a job for John, His Job is to get him in the countdown.

When Don & Tony retire they woll be lucky to have any fuel cars. Im wondering if due to the economy if we will even see full fields in the rest of the races this year

 

[von]

If NHRA had not changed the point system it would have never come to this. It's all about greed and money. NHRA has lost touch with the grass roots racer and are about to lose their fan base as well. Most fans do not understand the point system now, and even last week, in the middle of a season, they decided to give extra points in qualifying. First NHRA created the mess and the racers are the pawns.

I don't think anyone should have more than two cars in any one class. That goes for anyone and any class. If Force and Schumacher were to quit NHRA couldn't even fill the field in a lot of the races.

If the ADRL continues to grow and keep same philosophies they have now the NHRA will go the way of the AHRA in a few years.

I agree. The state of NHRA right now is so SNAFU I could see it imploding before long. Their downright crappy treatment of sportsman racers, the backbone of the sport, is shameful. All NHRA cares about now is money. Big time sponsors and TV exposure is what drives their bus now. Force is one of their meal tickets. They won't kill the golden goose. And as for ironclad proof of Force throwing the race, there isn't any but I fully agree with TV announcer and former TF racer Mike Dunn. It was obvious Force threw the race.

 

[Bob West]

These guys race to put food on the table

I believe the pros already have food on the table along with money in the bank, its all a show, they are the entertainers. I dont think Al Anabi needs to race to eat.

 

[Smokey1961]

I can tell you if I was the CEO of Castrol my name
would be off that car next race.

Probably running AMS Oil or RP anyways.

Jeff

 

[SILVERSS454]

I am a fan of John Force, the drag racer. Not so much a fan of his ego but, he is good for the sport (draws attention). But, anyone could see that he threw the race. Dunn called it before they ever even staged, said he thought the fix was in. Force should have just smoked the tires after leaving and then it would have looked alittle more legit. That show at the finish line in front of the cameras was total b.s. Made me think of the old saying 'Me thinks he doth protest too much.' It made him look even more guilty.
It was a business decision that was bad for the sport. But, with the economy like it is the bottom line is more important, I guess.
The answer is easy...limit all teams to two cars max. And for all that is holy, go back to racing the full 1320 feet!!!